Can a Way of Shadow Monk use Shadow Step to teleport to a dark ceiling and then body slam another creature?












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The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature says you can teleport up to 60 feet to an empty space from one dimly lit or dark space to another. Does that include the ceiling of a dungeon?



Thematically it fits for a ninja to appear along walls/ceilings. But does "empty space" mean ground necessarily according to the rules?



Abuse case (rather than use case):



I'm playing a Way of Shadow Loxodon. I plan to Shadow Step to the ceiling above a creature to crash down on top of them with my roughly 400 lbs of Elephant-man.



Is this legal? (Yes, DMs can rule whatever, we've already figured it out for our group. I want to know if it is officially illegal to Shadow Step to a ceiling within range.)










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    I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature says you can teleport up to 60 feet to an empty space from one dimly lit or dark space to another. Does that include the ceiling of a dungeon?



Thematically it fits for a ninja to appear along walls/ceilings. But does "empty space" mean ground necessarily according to the rules?



Abuse case (rather than use case):



I'm playing a Way of Shadow Loxodon. I plan to Shadow Step to the ceiling above a creature to crash down on top of them with my roughly 400 lbs of Elephant-man.



Is this legal? (Yes, DMs can rule whatever, we've already figured it out for our group. I want to know if it is officially illegal to Shadow Step to a ceiling within range.)










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    Related: Can a monk, falling with an enemy they have grappled, use their slow fall ability to reduce their falling damage and not that of the enemy?
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    – Rubiksmoose
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    I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature says you can teleport up to 60 feet to an empty space from one dimly lit or dark space to another. Does that include the ceiling of a dungeon?



Thematically it fits for a ninja to appear along walls/ceilings. But does "empty space" mean ground necessarily according to the rules?



Abuse case (rather than use case):



I'm playing a Way of Shadow Loxodon. I plan to Shadow Step to the ceiling above a creature to crash down on top of them with my roughly 400 lbs of Elephant-man.



Is this legal? (Yes, DMs can rule whatever, we've already figured it out for our group. I want to know if it is officially illegal to Shadow Step to a ceiling within range.)










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The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature says you can teleport up to 60 feet to an empty space from one dimly lit or dark space to another. Does that include the ceiling of a dungeon?



Thematically it fits for a ninja to appear along walls/ceilings. But does "empty space" mean ground necessarily according to the rules?



Abuse case (rather than use case):



I'm playing a Way of Shadow Loxodon. I plan to Shadow Step to the ceiling above a creature to crash down on top of them with my roughly 400 lbs of Elephant-man.



Is this legal? (Yes, DMs can rule whatever, we've already figured it out for our group. I want to know if it is officially illegal to Shadow Step to a ceiling within range.)







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    Related: Can a monk, falling with an enemy they have grappled, use their slow fall ability to reduce their falling damage and not that of the enemy?
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    I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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  • $begingroup$
    Related: Can a monk, falling with an enemy they have grappled, use their slow fall ability to reduce their falling damage and not that of the enemy?
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    10 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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Related: Can a monk, falling with an enemy they have grappled, use their slow fall ability to reduce their falling damage and not that of the enemy?
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– Rubiksmoose
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Related: Can a monk, falling with an enemy they have grappled, use their slow fall ability to reduce their falling damage and not that of the enemy?
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– Rubiksmoose
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I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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– Rubiksmoose
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I'm modifying your title to fit your body. If you want to ask about "clinging" specifically, please edit it into your question body (or better ask it as a new question seeing how this one already has several issues at play). Titles should only describe what is in the body and should never be a new question entirely.
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If they can see it, it is legal to teleport to the ceiling




When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness.




As long as nothing else is occupying that ceiling tile and you can see the space, you can teleport there. There is nothing that specifies any kind of restriction to the direction or place that is valid for teleportation. You don't even have to teleport to a solid surface. You can teleport to a space in mid-air if you wanted to. Spells/abilities that limit themselves to the ground for example explicitly say "ground" in the description.



Damaging your opponent by falling on them is completely up to the DM



Nothing in the rules says that creatures take damage from another creature falling on them or how much that damage should be. Your DM will have to adjudicate this.



Note, however, that since you are falling, you are going to take fall damage for sure. From 60 feet up you will take up to 6d6 of damage (depending on monk level, you may be able to reduce this). Depending on how your DM rules, you may actually take more damage then you do to your opponent.






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    The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
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    @D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
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Yes, it is legal



The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature (PHB, p. 80) says:




At 6th level, you gain the ability to step from one shadow into another. When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness. You then have advantage on the first melee attack you make before the end of the turn.




An unoccupied point in space is an unoccupied point in space. There's no clarifying rule that it requires ground beneath your feat. Clinging to the ceiling is a different matter that your DM will handle, but merely teleporting there and falling is a simple matter.



Shadow Step is made to cover great distances and allow cool maneuvers. And a Bonus Action isn't nothing either. Most of your monk features require this bonus action, so you're making a trade-off with this idea.



How much damage both of you take and why depends on the context you use it in and what additional features you decide to use. That calculation is generally outside the scope of this question. Similarly, if and how you can cling to a wall or ceiling is also outside the scope of this question. Shadow step doesn't stop you from clinging to anything, though.






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    May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
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    Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
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    @Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
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    Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
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    @Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
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If they can see it, it is legal to teleport to the ceiling




When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness.




As long as nothing else is occupying that ceiling tile and you can see the space, you can teleport there. There is nothing that specifies any kind of restriction to the direction or place that is valid for teleportation. You don't even have to teleport to a solid surface. You can teleport to a space in mid-air if you wanted to. Spells/abilities that limit themselves to the ground for example explicitly say "ground" in the description.



Damaging your opponent by falling on them is completely up to the DM



Nothing in the rules says that creatures take damage from another creature falling on them or how much that damage should be. Your DM will have to adjudicate this.



Note, however, that since you are falling, you are going to take fall damage for sure. From 60 feet up you will take up to 6d6 of damage (depending on monk level, you may be able to reduce this). Depending on how your DM rules, you may actually take more damage then you do to your opponent.






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    The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
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    @D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
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If they can see it, it is legal to teleport to the ceiling




When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness.




As long as nothing else is occupying that ceiling tile and you can see the space, you can teleport there. There is nothing that specifies any kind of restriction to the direction or place that is valid for teleportation. You don't even have to teleport to a solid surface. You can teleport to a space in mid-air if you wanted to. Spells/abilities that limit themselves to the ground for example explicitly say "ground" in the description.



Damaging your opponent by falling on them is completely up to the DM



Nothing in the rules says that creatures take damage from another creature falling on them or how much that damage should be. Your DM will have to adjudicate this.



Note, however, that since you are falling, you are going to take fall damage for sure. From 60 feet up you will take up to 6d6 of damage (depending on monk level, you may be able to reduce this). Depending on how your DM rules, you may actually take more damage then you do to your opponent.






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    The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
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    @D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
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    – Rubiksmoose
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If they can see it, it is legal to teleport to the ceiling




When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness.




As long as nothing else is occupying that ceiling tile and you can see the space, you can teleport there. There is nothing that specifies any kind of restriction to the direction or place that is valid for teleportation. You don't even have to teleport to a solid surface. You can teleport to a space in mid-air if you wanted to. Spells/abilities that limit themselves to the ground for example explicitly say "ground" in the description.



Damaging your opponent by falling on them is completely up to the DM



Nothing in the rules says that creatures take damage from another creature falling on them or how much that damage should be. Your DM will have to adjudicate this.



Note, however, that since you are falling, you are going to take fall damage for sure. From 60 feet up you will take up to 6d6 of damage (depending on monk level, you may be able to reduce this). Depending on how your DM rules, you may actually take more damage then you do to your opponent.






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If they can see it, it is legal to teleport to the ceiling




When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness.




As long as nothing else is occupying that ceiling tile and you can see the space, you can teleport there. There is nothing that specifies any kind of restriction to the direction or place that is valid for teleportation. You don't even have to teleport to a solid surface. You can teleport to a space in mid-air if you wanted to. Spells/abilities that limit themselves to the ground for example explicitly say "ground" in the description.



Damaging your opponent by falling on them is completely up to the DM



Nothing in the rules says that creatures take damage from another creature falling on them or how much that damage should be. Your DM will have to adjudicate this.



Note, however, that since you are falling, you are going to take fall damage for sure. From 60 feet up you will take up to 6d6 of damage (depending on monk level, you may be able to reduce this). Depending on how your DM rules, you may actually take more damage then you do to your opponent.







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    The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
    $endgroup$
    – D.Spetz
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  • $begingroup$
    @D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    7 hours ago














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    The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
    $endgroup$
    – D.Spetz
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  • $begingroup$
    @D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
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The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
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The fall damage is probably at least partially mitigated just by being a monk. Depending on their level I believe their natural Slowfall ability could reduce most of that. Of course, if that is the case then it would be hard to argue that the guy you landed on should take a bunch of damage while you don't...
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@D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
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@D.Spetz good point! I added a blurb about monk falling but I'll leave the effects on the other creature up to the DM still. We're already deep into DM territory so I'm not sure I can even make a useful suggestion there.
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– Rubiksmoose
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Yes, it is legal



The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature (PHB, p. 80) says:




At 6th level, you gain the ability to step from one shadow into another. When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness. You then have advantage on the first melee attack you make before the end of the turn.




An unoccupied point in space is an unoccupied point in space. There's no clarifying rule that it requires ground beneath your feat. Clinging to the ceiling is a different matter that your DM will handle, but merely teleporting there and falling is a simple matter.



Shadow Step is made to cover great distances and allow cool maneuvers. And a Bonus Action isn't nothing either. Most of your monk features require this bonus action, so you're making a trade-off with this idea.



How much damage both of you take and why depends on the context you use it in and what additional features you decide to use. That calculation is generally outside the scope of this question. Similarly, if and how you can cling to a wall or ceiling is also outside the scope of this question. Shadow step doesn't stop you from clinging to anything, though.






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    May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
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    Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
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    – Yakk
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    @Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
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    Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
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    @Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
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    – Nick Tydryszewski
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Yes, it is legal



The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature (PHB, p. 80) says:




At 6th level, you gain the ability to step from one shadow into another. When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness. You then have advantage on the first melee attack you make before the end of the turn.




An unoccupied point in space is an unoccupied point in space. There's no clarifying rule that it requires ground beneath your feat. Clinging to the ceiling is a different matter that your DM will handle, but merely teleporting there and falling is a simple matter.



Shadow Step is made to cover great distances and allow cool maneuvers. And a Bonus Action isn't nothing either. Most of your monk features require this bonus action, so you're making a trade-off with this idea.



How much damage both of you take and why depends on the context you use it in and what additional features you decide to use. That calculation is generally outside the scope of this question. Similarly, if and how you can cling to a wall or ceiling is also outside the scope of this question. Shadow step doesn't stop you from clinging to anything, though.






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    May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    10 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
    $endgroup$
    – Yakk
    10 hours ago










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    @Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
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    – Rubiksmoose
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    Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
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    – Rubiksmoose
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    @Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
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    – Nick Tydryszewski
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Yes, it is legal



The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature (PHB, p. 80) says:




At 6th level, you gain the ability to step from one shadow into another. When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness. You then have advantage on the first melee attack you make before the end of the turn.




An unoccupied point in space is an unoccupied point in space. There's no clarifying rule that it requires ground beneath your feat. Clinging to the ceiling is a different matter that your DM will handle, but merely teleporting there and falling is a simple matter.



Shadow Step is made to cover great distances and allow cool maneuvers. And a Bonus Action isn't nothing either. Most of your monk features require this bonus action, so you're making a trade-off with this idea.



How much damage both of you take and why depends on the context you use it in and what additional features you decide to use. That calculation is generally outside the scope of this question. Similarly, if and how you can cling to a wall or ceiling is also outside the scope of this question. Shadow step doesn't stop you from clinging to anything, though.






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Yes, it is legal



The Way of Shadow monk's Shadow Step feature (PHB, p. 80) says:




At 6th level, you gain the ability to step from one shadow into another. When you are in dim light or darkness, as a bonus action you can teleport up to 60 feet to an unoccupied space you can see that is also in dim light or darkness. You then have advantage on the first melee attack you make before the end of the turn.




An unoccupied point in space is an unoccupied point in space. There's no clarifying rule that it requires ground beneath your feat. Clinging to the ceiling is a different matter that your DM will handle, but merely teleporting there and falling is a simple matter.



Shadow Step is made to cover great distances and allow cool maneuvers. And a Bonus Action isn't nothing either. Most of your monk features require this bonus action, so you're making a trade-off with this idea.



How much damage both of you take and why depends on the context you use it in and what additional features you decide to use. That calculation is generally outside the scope of this question. Similarly, if and how you can cling to a wall or ceiling is also outside the scope of this question. Shadow step doesn't stop you from clinging to anything, though.







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    May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
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    – NautArch
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    Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
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    – Yakk
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    @Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
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    Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
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    @Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
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    – Nick Tydryszewski
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  • $begingroup$
    May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    10 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
    $endgroup$
    – Yakk
    10 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    10 hours ago








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    $begingroup$
    Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
    $endgroup$
    – Nick Tydryszewski
    9 hours ago
















$begingroup$
May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
10 hours ago




$begingroup$
May be worthwhile to include what the falling damage might and why/why not an equivalent or different damage might be delivered to the target.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
10 hours ago












$begingroup$
Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
$endgroup$
– Yakk
10 hours ago




$begingroup$
Also, note that monks have an ability to reduce falling damage; probably outside of scope, does that reduce impact damage as well?
$endgroup$
– Yakk
10 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
10 hours ago






$begingroup$
@Yakk See this question for a related topic, but yeah that seems like content for a new question. (Though the answer is almost surely simply going to be "whatever the DM decides" regardless.)
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
10 hours ago






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$begingroup$
Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
Just as a note, I removed the clinging part from the title of the question and made it match the body better. OP might come back and specify something further, but currently there is no more mention of clinging.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
9 hours ago












$begingroup$
@Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
$endgroup$
– Nick Tydryszewski
9 hours ago




$begingroup$
@Yakk It is a different question but no. Essentially you just lose the guy below you as a cushion to soften your fall. But they take the damage. As far as I know.
$endgroup$
– Nick Tydryszewski
9 hours ago


















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