“Hence” and “hence why”
My question is, is the use of the word "hence", used in it's most common sense as an alternative to "therefore", strictly acceptable in English usage in the following example:
I like bananas, hence why I eat them.
I see a lot of people using the word "why" after the word "hence", and I have always considered it, at the very least, inefficient use of English. Happy to find out other views. Many thanks for all comments.
grammaticality adverbs
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My question is, is the use of the word "hence", used in it's most common sense as an alternative to "therefore", strictly acceptable in English usage in the following example:
I like bananas, hence why I eat them.
I see a lot of people using the word "why" after the word "hence", and I have always considered it, at the very least, inefficient use of English. Happy to find out other views. Many thanks for all comments.
grammaticality adverbs
asked Aug 27 '12 at 9:32
charles.abcamcharles.abcam
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My question is, is the use of the word "hence", used in it's most common sense as an alternative to "therefore", strictly acceptable in English usage in the following example:
I like bananas, hence why I eat them.
I see a lot of people using the word "why" after the word "hence", and I have always considered it, at the very least, inefficient use of English. Happy to find out other views. Many thanks for all comments.
grammaticality adverbs
asked Aug 27 '12 at 9:32
charles.abcamcharles.abcam
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My question is, is the use of the word "hence", used in it's most common sense as an alternative to "therefore", strictly acceptable in English usage in the following example:
I like bananas, hence why I eat them.
I see a lot of people using the word "why" after the word "hence", and I have always considered it, at the very least, inefficient use of English. Happy to find out other views. Many thanks for all comments.
grammaticality adverbs
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It appears that this construct used to be a lot more popular in the 1800s and continues to be used today. Going by Ngrams:
Excerpts:
Barbara Heyman, 2012:
I looked at it later in 1922 with the idea of arranging it for violin, cello, and piano. Hence why we still call it the “Trio”.
Thomas A. Blackson, 2011:
The details of his pursuit were so undefined it was difficult to understand how the pursuit was supposed to work and hence why anyone should value it so highly.
Marcel Fafchamps, 2004
This may explain why the threat of stigmatization is largely ineffective against so-called informal sector firms which, as a rule, are not registered — and hence why transactions among informal sector firms remain quite unsophisticated.
In other words, this usage appears to be quite valid.
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
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I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
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The last two examples could have a comma between the hence and the why. The hence in both case means therefore and it is like saying therefore, why would anyone value. The why in both cases is the beginning of the next phrase and incidental. The first example is indeed a double usage.
I wonder if these quotes were found by computer search?
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
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When you contrast coleopterist's Ngrams research with the answers shared between every other Google result, it appears that "hence why" is a case of "incorrect, but nobody cares" similar to "quadrilogy" (which should use the Greek "tetra-" with the Greek "-logia" to form "tetralogy" but people have been getting it wrong since at least 1865 according to the OED).
Perhaps I haven't read enough older fiction, but my intuition has always agreed with the view that "hence why" is incorrect because it translates to "[that is the reason that] why".
However, my intuition did also lead me into conflict with a more pedantic friend over whether "hence why" is ever valid on technical grounds.
The use my intuition keeps claiming validity for is that "hence why X" makes sense as a short form of "hence my decision to X" (in contrast to "hence X", rendering the decision the primary subject of the clause, rather than the action taken as a result).
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It appears that this construct used to be a lot more popular in the 1800s and continues to be used today. Going by Ngrams:
Excerpts:
Barbara Heyman, 2012:
I looked at it later in 1922 with the idea of arranging it for violin, cello, and piano. Hence why we still call it the “Trio”.
Thomas A. Blackson, 2011:
The details of his pursuit were so undefined it was difficult to understand how the pursuit was supposed to work and hence why anyone should value it so highly.
Marcel Fafchamps, 2004
This may explain why the threat of stigmatization is largely ineffective against so-called informal sector firms which, as a rule, are not registered — and hence why transactions among informal sector firms remain quite unsophisticated.
In other words, this usage appears to be quite valid.
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
26.4k24101188
I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
|
show 1 more comment
It appears that this construct used to be a lot more popular in the 1800s and continues to be used today. Going by Ngrams:
Excerpts:
Barbara Heyman, 2012:
I looked at it later in 1922 with the idea of arranging it for violin, cello, and piano. Hence why we still call it the “Trio”.
Thomas A. Blackson, 2011:
The details of his pursuit were so undefined it was difficult to understand how the pursuit was supposed to work and hence why anyone should value it so highly.
Marcel Fafchamps, 2004
This may explain why the threat of stigmatization is largely ineffective against so-called informal sector firms which, as a rule, are not registered — and hence why transactions among informal sector firms remain quite unsophisticated.
In other words, this usage appears to be quite valid.
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
26.4k24101188
I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
|
show 1 more comment
It appears that this construct used to be a lot more popular in the 1800s and continues to be used today. Going by Ngrams:
Excerpts:
Barbara Heyman, 2012:
I looked at it later in 1922 with the idea of arranging it for violin, cello, and piano. Hence why we still call it the “Trio”.
Thomas A. Blackson, 2011:
The details of his pursuit were so undefined it was difficult to understand how the pursuit was supposed to work and hence why anyone should value it so highly.
Marcel Fafchamps, 2004
This may explain why the threat of stigmatization is largely ineffective against so-called informal sector firms which, as a rule, are not registered — and hence why transactions among informal sector firms remain quite unsophisticated.
In other words, this usage appears to be quite valid.
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
26.4k24101188
It appears that this construct used to be a lot more popular in the 1800s and continues to be used today. Going by Ngrams:
Excerpts:
Barbara Heyman, 2012:
I looked at it later in 1922 with the idea of arranging it for violin, cello, and piano. Hence why we still call it the “Trio”.
Thomas A. Blackson, 2011:
The details of his pursuit were so undefined it was difficult to understand how the pursuit was supposed to work and hence why anyone should value it so highly.
Marcel Fafchamps, 2004
This may explain why the threat of stigmatization is largely ineffective against so-called informal sector firms which, as a rule, are not registered — and hence why transactions among informal sector firms remain quite unsophisticated.
In other words, this usage appears to be quite valid.
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
26.4k24101188
answered Aug 27 '12 at 12:29
coleopteristcoleopterist
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I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
|
show 1 more comment
I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
I appreciate the response. I believe "hence" should be interchangeable with "therefore", in which case the bananas sentence wouldn't make sense but the Blackson and Fafchamps examples would (and the Heyman example wouldn't).
– charles.abcam
Aug 27 '12 at 12:40
2
2
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@charles.abcam Hence originally meant from here/this point, as thence meant from there/that point. That’s why it can be used in this way.
– tchrist♦
Aug 27 '12 at 12:56
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
@tchrist - I think this is the beginning of a good answer and would be worth expanding as one.
– neil
Aug 27 '12 at 13:49
1
1
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
The statistical significance of the NGram points doesn't even rise to the level of a rounding error. Look at the Y axis.
– Robusto
Aug 27 '12 at 14:00
2
2
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
It also masks the different polysemes of hence. The Heyman quote could be recast Hence our retaining the original name the “Trio”. (if one allows the use of sentence fragments); the sense of hence here is, as tchrist says, from this point or from this source (AHDEL) or which is why (Huizhe) or this is the reason for. With this sense, Charles needs I like bananas, hence my eating them by the dozen. In calling the hence why string a structure, as Huizhe does, one is getting perilously close to claiming a cohesion that probably isn't there in most cases that are grammatical.
– Edwin Ashworth
Aug 27 '12 at 14:31
|
show 1 more comment
The last two examples could have a comma between the hence and the why. The hence in both case means therefore and it is like saying therefore, why would anyone value. The why in both cases is the beginning of the next phrase and incidental. The first example is indeed a double usage.
I wonder if these quotes were found by computer search?
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
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The last two examples could have a comma between the hence and the why. The hence in both case means therefore and it is like saying therefore, why would anyone value. The why in both cases is the beginning of the next phrase and incidental. The first example is indeed a double usage.
I wonder if these quotes were found by computer search?
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
1
add a comment |
The last two examples could have a comma between the hence and the why. The hence in both case means therefore and it is like saying therefore, why would anyone value. The why in both cases is the beginning of the next phrase and incidental. The first example is indeed a double usage.
I wonder if these quotes were found by computer search?
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
1
The last two examples could have a comma between the hence and the why. The hence in both case means therefore and it is like saying therefore, why would anyone value. The why in both cases is the beginning of the next phrase and incidental. The first example is indeed a double usage.
I wonder if these quotes were found by computer search?
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
1
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
1
answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
TulliTulli
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answered Dec 3 '17 at 2:42
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When you contrast coleopterist's Ngrams research with the answers shared between every other Google result, it appears that "hence why" is a case of "incorrect, but nobody cares" similar to "quadrilogy" (which should use the Greek "tetra-" with the Greek "-logia" to form "tetralogy" but people have been getting it wrong since at least 1865 according to the OED).
Perhaps I haven't read enough older fiction, but my intuition has always agreed with the view that "hence why" is incorrect because it translates to "[that is the reason that] why".
However, my intuition did also lead me into conflict with a more pedantic friend over whether "hence why" is ever valid on technical grounds.
The use my intuition keeps claiming validity for is that "hence why X" makes sense as a short form of "hence my decision to X" (in contrast to "hence X", rendering the decision the primary subject of the clause, rather than the action taken as a result).
edited 7 hours ago
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answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
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When you contrast coleopterist's Ngrams research with the answers shared between every other Google result, it appears that "hence why" is a case of "incorrect, but nobody cares" similar to "quadrilogy" (which should use the Greek "tetra-" with the Greek "-logia" to form "tetralogy" but people have been getting it wrong since at least 1865 according to the OED).
Perhaps I haven't read enough older fiction, but my intuition has always agreed with the view that "hence why" is incorrect because it translates to "[that is the reason that] why".
However, my intuition did also lead me into conflict with a more pedantic friend over whether "hence why" is ever valid on technical grounds.
The use my intuition keeps claiming validity for is that "hence why X" makes sense as a short form of "hence my decision to X" (in contrast to "hence X", rendering the decision the primary subject of the clause, rather than the action taken as a result).
edited 7 hours ago
yoozer8
6,80073978
answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
ssokolowssokolow
20217
add a comment |
When you contrast coleopterist's Ngrams research with the answers shared between every other Google result, it appears that "hence why" is a case of "incorrect, but nobody cares" similar to "quadrilogy" (which should use the Greek "tetra-" with the Greek "-logia" to form "tetralogy" but people have been getting it wrong since at least 1865 according to the OED).
Perhaps I haven't read enough older fiction, but my intuition has always agreed with the view that "hence why" is incorrect because it translates to "[that is the reason that] why".
However, my intuition did also lead me into conflict with a more pedantic friend over whether "hence why" is ever valid on technical grounds.
The use my intuition keeps claiming validity for is that "hence why X" makes sense as a short form of "hence my decision to X" (in contrast to "hence X", rendering the decision the primary subject of the clause, rather than the action taken as a result).
edited 7 hours ago
yoozer8
6,80073978
answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
ssokolowssokolow
20217
When you contrast coleopterist's Ngrams research with the answers shared between every other Google result, it appears that "hence why" is a case of "incorrect, but nobody cares" similar to "quadrilogy" (which should use the Greek "tetra-" with the Greek "-logia" to form "tetralogy" but people have been getting it wrong since at least 1865 according to the OED).
Perhaps I haven't read enough older fiction, but my intuition has always agreed with the view that "hence why" is incorrect because it translates to "[that is the reason that] why".
However, my intuition did also lead me into conflict with a more pedantic friend over whether "hence why" is ever valid on technical grounds.
The use my intuition keeps claiming validity for is that "hence why X" makes sense as a short form of "hence my decision to X" (in contrast to "hence X", rendering the decision the primary subject of the clause, rather than the action taken as a result).
edited 7 hours ago
yoozer8
6,80073978
answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
ssokolowssokolow
20217
edited 7 hours ago
yoozer8
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yoozer8
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20217
answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
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20217
answered Jul 18 '16 at 11:03
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20217
20217
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