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    only.to humans do other humans have more value. The earth doesn't have any preference.

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    It's always worth noting that morality is entirely subjective. Most everything you consider to be immoral has, at some point in history, been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour.

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    Hey Richard. I get the sentiment, but it's just not true for animals in general on this planet. Xenophobic aggression in other animals is well-documented and researched.

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    @kayleeFrye_onDeck there are non-human species that feel human lives are more valuable than non-humans?

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    Hey Richard. I get the sentiment, but it's just not true for animals in general on this planet. Xenophobic aggression in other animals is well-documented and researched.

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    @kayleeFrye_onDeck there are non-human species that feel human lives are more valuable than non-humans?

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    only.to humans do other humans have more value. The earth doesn't have any preference.

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    It's always worth noting that morality is entirely subjective. Most everything you consider to be immoral has, at some point in history, been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour.

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    Hey Richard. I get the sentiment, but it's just not true for animals in general on this planet. Xenophobic aggression in other animals is well-documented and researched.

    – kayleeFrye_onDeck
    9 hours ago






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    @kayleeFrye_onDeck there are non-human species that feel human lives are more valuable than non-humans?

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only.to humans do other humans have more value. The earth doesn't have any preference.

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only.to humans do other humans have more value. The earth doesn't have any preference.

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Hi, welcome to Philosophy SE. Broad questions like yours are better addressed by reading online encyclopedias rather than asking here, see e.g. SEP, The Moral Status of Animals. We can answer more specific questions that come up after the initial reading.

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It's always worth noting that morality is entirely subjective. Most everything you consider to be immoral has, at some point in history, been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour.

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It's always worth noting that morality is entirely subjective. Most everything you consider to be immoral has, at some point in history, been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour.

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Hey Richard. I get the sentiment, but it's just not true for animals in general on this planet. Xenophobic aggression in other animals is well-documented and researched.

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Hey Richard. I get the sentiment, but it's just not true for animals in general on this planet. Xenophobic aggression in other animals is well-documented and researched.

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@kayleeFrye_onDeck there are non-human species that feel human lives are more valuable than non-humans?

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One aspect (not the only valid aspect, but the one I'll be covering here) of looking at this is from the social contract angle. In essence, since we live in communities together with other humans (and have done so as long as homo sapiens exist) it makes sense to agree to avoid killing each other in most circumstances (e.g. capital punishment, or religious sacrifices, or war) - defining any other killing as murder, and defining murder as Very Bad. It's just a very practical thing to do; if we establish social norms that I won't kill you and you don't kill me, then we're usually both better off than before. And at least part of the murder prohibition certainly is based on this aspect.



While the boundaries of social contract are in general arbitrary - there certainly can be social contract that highly values the lives and rights of one "tribe" (for a very, very wide interpretation of "tribe") and disregards the lives and rights of everyone else, there's still a major difference regarding animals; it makes sense to extend the social contract to all other people surrounding you (including all other "tribes"), because you'd want them to follow that social contract regarding yourself. It's not automatic (there are plenty nasty examples in history, including quite recent history), but in general that's a solid trend. With animals, on the other hand, such social contract isn't possible, because it can't be mutual, there's no reciprocity, they aren't members of our society and can't be because they lack the capacity to do so.



Our relationship with animals is inherently asymetrical. Bears can't peacefully join our society and obey its rules even if we'd grant them full human rights, and salmon won't be productive members of our society if they'd have equal rights, nor would they pose some threat to us if we'd not agree to their demands, so it's not in our interests to treat them as if they had equal rights and value - contrasting this with all the different groups of people whose lives had (de facto) less value in various societies just a few centuries ago, and the way how these differences have faded - mostly because all those people actually are (or can be) valuable members of societies and it's good for me and everyone else if they're included in our social contract.






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    I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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    Heck, it's probably not even legal to defecate in the woods without covering it up. So bears couldn't even do the one thing they're best known for doing.

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    Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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    Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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You have the situation entirely backwards. It's not that we give humans special privileges but that we don't try to engineer the interactions of animals the same way we try to engineer the interactions of humans. That is, we exempt animals from having to comply with human-created rules because of humility and basic sanity.



Think about what we do when a bear eats a human. Now imagine if we tried to do the same thing if a bear ate a salmon or a deer. We would wind up taking complete human dominion over bear society in a way that doesn't make any sense at all.



If a bear can eat a salmon with impunity, why can't a human? Are humans specially of lower worth and entitlement to eat salmon than bears? Where would that come from? Why would humans be an exception here?



The right question is where would we get the right to force the societies of other animals to play by human rules that don't make any sense in that context? And why should humans be uniquely prohibited from benefiting from other species?






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    Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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  • @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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    That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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    @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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IMO your question addresses an important ethical problem. First one can ask:




Does human life have indeed innate value over that of other animals?




In my opinion, the answer is no. Human life does not have such superior value. Because values do not exist in nature. Instead they result from our decision to attach respect and esteem to certain objects or to a certain behaviour or attitude.



Of ourse, in ethics this decision often results from our innate feelings or more precisely: from the empathy we feel for humans or animals similar or close to ourself. We feel empathy with the members of our family, but we do not feel empathy with an insect.



As a consequence, in recent years a movement developed to generalize our human centered ethics to a system of ethics which also includes animals. A proponent of this discipline is Peter Singer. For a first information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer






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    Innate or intrinsic value is a kind of value such that when it is possessed by
    something, it is possessed by it solely in virtue of its innate or intrinsic properties. (Ben Bradley, 'Two Concepts of Intrinsic Value', Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, Vol. 9, No. 2 (Apr., 2006), pp. 111-130: 112.)



    To say that human beings have innate or intrinsic value, then, is to hold that all humans and only humans, and therefore no non-human animals, possess the relevant properties.



    It is reasonable to ask (a) what these properties are, (b) what is it about them that confers innate or intrinsic value, and (c) what axiological epistemology is available to us to determine the existence and nature of such properties.



    I'm not aware of any theory that delivers credible candidates for (a) - (c).



    It is one thing intrinsically to value all and only human beings - any form of subjectivism can do that. This is merely an attitudinal matter. It is quite another to say that objectively all and only human beings have innate or intrinsic value. That is a truth-claim and I don't see how it can be made good. I am open to rational suasion, however.






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    • Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

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    • I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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    In my opinion, you just answered your own question. Observe:



    innately_innate



    If you want the why of it answered in a more detailed and analytical sense, neuroscience research for xenophobic aggression in mammals or fauna in general is probably your best avenue. Here's a paper that reviewed it for Naked Mole Rats: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347296902997






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      Religion and philosophy are of course not the same thing, but there is a lot that overlaps, and given that for a lot of people in the world, religion has a profound effect on their personal philosophy, I think this answer is important, and deserves to be listed among the other answers.



      I won't go on and on defending it philosophically, as it rests on belief in religion in general, but it really deserves to at least be mentioned and understood.



      Christianity and Judaism (and certain sects of Islam?) teach that human beings were created in the Image of God, the imago dei. If this doctrine is true, then it follows directly that there is an intrinsic value placed on human beings.



      This is a very complex theological doctrine that pervades how we think about and treat other human beings. It is very much ingrained in Western thinking. It has historically been a motivation for much social change.



      According to this view, animals, however, were not created in the Image of God, and as such, do not have the same intrinsic value as human beings. It's that simple.



      Note however, that this does not mean that mistreatment of animals is morally okay according to religious doctrine. While not bearing the Image of God, they are part of God's creation that humans are supposed to look after and care for.



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      Also note that this view is not restricted to people who hold a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. Many believers of the Torah are happy to take Genesis 1 as theological/moral teaching, rather than as scientific/historical teaching. This still leaves many important doctrines to be gleaned from Scripture, including the doctrine of the Image of God. This begs the question, if humans evolved from animals in ages past, when did the Image of God enter the picture? Who knows.






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        One aspect (not the only valid aspect, but the one I'll be covering here) of looking at this is from the social contract angle. In essence, since we live in communities together with other humans (and have done so as long as homo sapiens exist) it makes sense to agree to avoid killing each other in most circumstances (e.g. capital punishment, or religious sacrifices, or war) - defining any other killing as murder, and defining murder as Very Bad. It's just a very practical thing to do; if we establish social norms that I won't kill you and you don't kill me, then we're usually both better off than before. And at least part of the murder prohibition certainly is based on this aspect.



        While the boundaries of social contract are in general arbitrary - there certainly can be social contract that highly values the lives and rights of one "tribe" (for a very, very wide interpretation of "tribe") and disregards the lives and rights of everyone else, there's still a major difference regarding animals; it makes sense to extend the social contract to all other people surrounding you (including all other "tribes"), because you'd want them to follow that social contract regarding yourself. It's not automatic (there are plenty nasty examples in history, including quite recent history), but in general that's a solid trend. With animals, on the other hand, such social contract isn't possible, because it can't be mutual, there's no reciprocity, they aren't members of our society and can't be because they lack the capacity to do so.



        Our relationship with animals is inherently asymetrical. Bears can't peacefully join our society and obey its rules even if we'd grant them full human rights, and salmon won't be productive members of our society if they'd have equal rights, nor would they pose some threat to us if we'd not agree to their demands, so it's not in our interests to treat them as if they had equal rights and value - contrasting this with all the different groups of people whose lives had (de facto) less value in various societies just a few centuries ago, and the way how these differences have faded - mostly because all those people actually are (or can be) valuable members of societies and it's good for me and everyone else if they're included in our social contract.






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          I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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          Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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          Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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        One aspect (not the only valid aspect, but the one I'll be covering here) of looking at this is from the social contract angle. In essence, since we live in communities together with other humans (and have done so as long as homo sapiens exist) it makes sense to agree to avoid killing each other in most circumstances (e.g. capital punishment, or religious sacrifices, or war) - defining any other killing as murder, and defining murder as Very Bad. It's just a very practical thing to do; if we establish social norms that I won't kill you and you don't kill me, then we're usually both better off than before. And at least part of the murder prohibition certainly is based on this aspect.



        While the boundaries of social contract are in general arbitrary - there certainly can be social contract that highly values the lives and rights of one "tribe" (for a very, very wide interpretation of "tribe") and disregards the lives and rights of everyone else, there's still a major difference regarding animals; it makes sense to extend the social contract to all other people surrounding you (including all other "tribes"), because you'd want them to follow that social contract regarding yourself. It's not automatic (there are plenty nasty examples in history, including quite recent history), but in general that's a solid trend. With animals, on the other hand, such social contract isn't possible, because it can't be mutual, there's no reciprocity, they aren't members of our society and can't be because they lack the capacity to do so.



        Our relationship with animals is inherently asymetrical. Bears can't peacefully join our society and obey its rules even if we'd grant them full human rights, and salmon won't be productive members of our society if they'd have equal rights, nor would they pose some threat to us if we'd not agree to their demands, so it's not in our interests to treat them as if they had equal rights and value - contrasting this with all the different groups of people whose lives had (de facto) less value in various societies just a few centuries ago, and the way how these differences have faded - mostly because all those people actually are (or can be) valuable members of societies and it's good for me and everyone else if they're included in our social contract.






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          I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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          Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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        One aspect (not the only valid aspect, but the one I'll be covering here) of looking at this is from the social contract angle. In essence, since we live in communities together with other humans (and have done so as long as homo sapiens exist) it makes sense to agree to avoid killing each other in most circumstances (e.g. capital punishment, or religious sacrifices, or war) - defining any other killing as murder, and defining murder as Very Bad. It's just a very practical thing to do; if we establish social norms that I won't kill you and you don't kill me, then we're usually both better off than before. And at least part of the murder prohibition certainly is based on this aspect.



        While the boundaries of social contract are in general arbitrary - there certainly can be social contract that highly values the lives and rights of one "tribe" (for a very, very wide interpretation of "tribe") and disregards the lives and rights of everyone else, there's still a major difference regarding animals; it makes sense to extend the social contract to all other people surrounding you (including all other "tribes"), because you'd want them to follow that social contract regarding yourself. It's not automatic (there are plenty nasty examples in history, including quite recent history), but in general that's a solid trend. With animals, on the other hand, such social contract isn't possible, because it can't be mutual, there's no reciprocity, they aren't members of our society and can't be because they lack the capacity to do so.



        Our relationship with animals is inherently asymetrical. Bears can't peacefully join our society and obey its rules even if we'd grant them full human rights, and salmon won't be productive members of our society if they'd have equal rights, nor would they pose some threat to us if we'd not agree to their demands, so it's not in our interests to treat them as if they had equal rights and value - contrasting this with all the different groups of people whose lives had (de facto) less value in various societies just a few centuries ago, and the way how these differences have faded - mostly because all those people actually are (or can be) valuable members of societies and it's good for me and everyone else if they're included in our social contract.






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        Social contract



        One aspect (not the only valid aspect, but the one I'll be covering here) of looking at this is from the social contract angle. In essence, since we live in communities together with other humans (and have done so as long as homo sapiens exist) it makes sense to agree to avoid killing each other in most circumstances (e.g. capital punishment, or religious sacrifices, or war) - defining any other killing as murder, and defining murder as Very Bad. It's just a very practical thing to do; if we establish social norms that I won't kill you and you don't kill me, then we're usually both better off than before. And at least part of the murder prohibition certainly is based on this aspect.



        While the boundaries of social contract are in general arbitrary - there certainly can be social contract that highly values the lives and rights of one "tribe" (for a very, very wide interpretation of "tribe") and disregards the lives and rights of everyone else, there's still a major difference regarding animals; it makes sense to extend the social contract to all other people surrounding you (including all other "tribes"), because you'd want them to follow that social contract regarding yourself. It's not automatic (there are plenty nasty examples in history, including quite recent history), but in general that's a solid trend. With animals, on the other hand, such social contract isn't possible, because it can't be mutual, there's no reciprocity, they aren't members of our society and can't be because they lack the capacity to do so.



        Our relationship with animals is inherently asymetrical. Bears can't peacefully join our society and obey its rules even if we'd grant them full human rights, and salmon won't be productive members of our society if they'd have equal rights, nor would they pose some threat to us if we'd not agree to their demands, so it's not in our interests to treat them as if they had equal rights and value - contrasting this with all the different groups of people whose lives had (de facto) less value in various societies just a few centuries ago, and the way how these differences have faded - mostly because all those people actually are (or can be) valuable members of societies and it's good for me and everyone else if they're included in our social contract.







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          I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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          Heck, it's probably not even legal to defecate in the woods without covering it up. So bears couldn't even do the one thing they're best known for doing.

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          Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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          Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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          I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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          Heck, it's probably not even legal to defecate in the woods without covering it up. So bears couldn't even do the one thing they're best known for doing.

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          Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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          Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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        I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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        I especially like the comment on reciprocity. If you really did try to grant bears all the rights and responsibilities of humans, many of them would quickly be executed or imprisoned for committing crimes. To grant rights to animals you have to separate rights from responsibilities, which is not a separation our institutions are set up to accept. (Even in the case of young children, it is expected that someone -- typically a "parent or guardian" -- can be held responsible for the child's actions.)

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        Heck, it's probably not even legal to defecate in the woods without covering it up. So bears couldn't even do the one thing they're best known for doing.

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        Heck, it's probably not even legal to defecate in the woods without covering it up. So bears couldn't even do the one thing they're best known for doing.

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        Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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        Some animals, particularly dogs, are able to form a very low level social contract with humans—for instance, by recognizing the people with whom they have a relationship and performing tasks for rewards. Consistent with this answer, these animals are often afforded greater rights and considered to have greater value by human society than those that are incapable of even this low level understanding.

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        Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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        Does it follow then, that if a human being is not capable of reciprocating this contract, perhaps due to being mentally handicapped, or some other cause, that they also lack the intrinsic value we place on humans?

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        You have the situation entirely backwards. It's not that we give humans special privileges but that we don't try to engineer the interactions of animals the same way we try to engineer the interactions of humans. That is, we exempt animals from having to comply with human-created rules because of humility and basic sanity.



        Think about what we do when a bear eats a human. Now imagine if we tried to do the same thing if a bear ate a salmon or a deer. We would wind up taking complete human dominion over bear society in a way that doesn't make any sense at all.



        If a bear can eat a salmon with impunity, why can't a human? Are humans specially of lower worth and entitlement to eat salmon than bears? Where would that come from? Why would humans be an exception here?



        The right question is where would we get the right to force the societies of other animals to play by human rules that don't make any sense in that context? And why should humans be uniquely prohibited from benefiting from other species?






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          Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        • @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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          That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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          @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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        You have the situation entirely backwards. It's not that we give humans special privileges but that we don't try to engineer the interactions of animals the same way we try to engineer the interactions of humans. That is, we exempt animals from having to comply with human-created rules because of humility and basic sanity.



        Think about what we do when a bear eats a human. Now imagine if we tried to do the same thing if a bear ate a salmon or a deer. We would wind up taking complete human dominion over bear society in a way that doesn't make any sense at all.



        If a bear can eat a salmon with impunity, why can't a human? Are humans specially of lower worth and entitlement to eat salmon than bears? Where would that come from? Why would humans be an exception here?



        The right question is where would we get the right to force the societies of other animals to play by human rules that don't make any sense in that context? And why should humans be uniquely prohibited from benefiting from other species?






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          Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        • @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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          That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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          @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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        You have the situation entirely backwards. It's not that we give humans special privileges but that we don't try to engineer the interactions of animals the same way we try to engineer the interactions of humans. That is, we exempt animals from having to comply with human-created rules because of humility and basic sanity.



        Think about what we do when a bear eats a human. Now imagine if we tried to do the same thing if a bear ate a salmon or a deer. We would wind up taking complete human dominion over bear society in a way that doesn't make any sense at all.



        If a bear can eat a salmon with impunity, why can't a human? Are humans specially of lower worth and entitlement to eat salmon than bears? Where would that come from? Why would humans be an exception here?



        The right question is where would we get the right to force the societies of other animals to play by human rules that don't make any sense in that context? And why should humans be uniquely prohibited from benefiting from other species?






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        You have the situation entirely backwards. It's not that we give humans special privileges but that we don't try to engineer the interactions of animals the same way we try to engineer the interactions of humans. That is, we exempt animals from having to comply with human-created rules because of humility and basic sanity.



        Think about what we do when a bear eats a human. Now imagine if we tried to do the same thing if a bear ate a salmon or a deer. We would wind up taking complete human dominion over bear society in a way that doesn't make any sense at all.



        If a bear can eat a salmon with impunity, why can't a human? Are humans specially of lower worth and entitlement to eat salmon than bears? Where would that come from? Why would humans be an exception here?



        The right question is where would we get the right to force the societies of other animals to play by human rules that don't make any sense in that context? And why should humans be uniquely prohibited from benefiting from other species?







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          Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        • @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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          That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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          @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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          Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        • @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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          That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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          @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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        Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        Humans are different because we have the choice to eat the salmon or not, and the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so.

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        @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

        – David Schwartz
        4 hours ago







        @z0r Right. But regardless of whether a bear has a choice to eat a person or not or the philosophical tools to discuss whether it's moral to do so, we're going to kill bears that cannot be prevented from eating humans. It would be absurd to do that for bears that eat salmon. Extending the privileges we extend to humans onto salmon would be devastating for bears. It just obviously wouldn't make any sense for us to try to have that kind of relationship with other species.

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        That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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        That's true, but the fact remains that humans do have that choice. I don't think it makes sense to turn the question around and make it about animals eating other animals.

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        @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

        – David Schwartz
        4 hours ago







        @z0r I don't see how you can avoid the fact that if we accept that we have to treat animals as having no less inherent worth than humans, then we have to take animals eating other animals as seriously as we take animals eating humans. The reason we act when an animal eats a human is because we treat humans as having a high value and such an act intolerable to not prevent. You bristle at the silliness of this, but that's the whole point. Treating animals as having that kind of worth is obviously silly.

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        IMO your question addresses an important ethical problem. First one can ask:




        Does human life have indeed innate value over that of other animals?




        In my opinion, the answer is no. Human life does not have such superior value. Because values do not exist in nature. Instead they result from our decision to attach respect and esteem to certain objects or to a certain behaviour or attitude.



        Of ourse, in ethics this decision often results from our innate feelings or more precisely: from the empathy we feel for humans or animals similar or close to ourself. We feel empathy with the members of our family, but we do not feel empathy with an insect.



        As a consequence, in recent years a movement developed to generalize our human centered ethics to a system of ethics which also includes animals. A proponent of this discipline is Peter Singer. For a first information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer






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          IMO your question addresses an important ethical problem. First one can ask:




          Does human life have indeed innate value over that of other animals?




          In my opinion, the answer is no. Human life does not have such superior value. Because values do not exist in nature. Instead they result from our decision to attach respect and esteem to certain objects or to a certain behaviour or attitude.



          Of ourse, in ethics this decision often results from our innate feelings or more precisely: from the empathy we feel for humans or animals similar or close to ourself. We feel empathy with the members of our family, but we do not feel empathy with an insect.



          As a consequence, in recent years a movement developed to generalize our human centered ethics to a system of ethics which also includes animals. A proponent of this discipline is Peter Singer. For a first information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer






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            IMO your question addresses an important ethical problem. First one can ask:




            Does human life have indeed innate value over that of other animals?




            In my opinion, the answer is no. Human life does not have such superior value. Because values do not exist in nature. Instead they result from our decision to attach respect and esteem to certain objects or to a certain behaviour or attitude.



            Of ourse, in ethics this decision often results from our innate feelings or more precisely: from the empathy we feel for humans or animals similar or close to ourself. We feel empathy with the members of our family, but we do not feel empathy with an insect.



            As a consequence, in recent years a movement developed to generalize our human centered ethics to a system of ethics which also includes animals. A proponent of this discipline is Peter Singer. For a first information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer






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            IMO your question addresses an important ethical problem. First one can ask:




            Does human life have indeed innate value over that of other animals?




            In my opinion, the answer is no. Human life does not have such superior value. Because values do not exist in nature. Instead they result from our decision to attach respect and esteem to certain objects or to a certain behaviour or attitude.



            Of ourse, in ethics this decision often results from our innate feelings or more precisely: from the empathy we feel for humans or animals similar or close to ourself. We feel empathy with the members of our family, but we do not feel empathy with an insect.



            As a consequence, in recent years a movement developed to generalize our human centered ethics to a system of ethics which also includes animals. A proponent of this discipline is Peter Singer. For a first information see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer







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                Innate or intrinsic value is a kind of value such that when it is possessed by
                something, it is possessed by it solely in virtue of its innate or intrinsic properties. (Ben Bradley, 'Two Concepts of Intrinsic Value', Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, Vol. 9, No. 2 (Apr., 2006), pp. 111-130: 112.)



                To say that human beings have innate or intrinsic value, then, is to hold that all humans and only humans, and therefore no non-human animals, possess the relevant properties.



                It is reasonable to ask (a) what these properties are, (b) what is it about them that confers innate or intrinsic value, and (c) what axiological epistemology is available to us to determine the existence and nature of such properties.



                I'm not aware of any theory that delivers credible candidates for (a) - (c).



                It is one thing intrinsically to value all and only human beings - any form of subjectivism can do that. This is merely an attitudinal matter. It is quite another to say that objectively all and only human beings have innate or intrinsic value. That is a truth-claim and I don't see how it can be made good. I am open to rational suasion, however.






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                • Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

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                • I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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                Innate or intrinsic value is a kind of value such that when it is possessed by
                something, it is possessed by it solely in virtue of its innate or intrinsic properties. (Ben Bradley, 'Two Concepts of Intrinsic Value', Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, Vol. 9, No. 2 (Apr., 2006), pp. 111-130: 112.)



                To say that human beings have innate or intrinsic value, then, is to hold that all humans and only humans, and therefore no non-human animals, possess the relevant properties.



                It is reasonable to ask (a) what these properties are, (b) what is it about them that confers innate or intrinsic value, and (c) what axiological epistemology is available to us to determine the existence and nature of such properties.



                I'm not aware of any theory that delivers credible candidates for (a) - (c).



                It is one thing intrinsically to value all and only human beings - any form of subjectivism can do that. This is merely an attitudinal matter. It is quite another to say that objectively all and only human beings have innate or intrinsic value. That is a truth-claim and I don't see how it can be made good. I am open to rational suasion, however.






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                • Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

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                • I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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                Innate or intrinsic value is a kind of value such that when it is possessed by
                something, it is possessed by it solely in virtue of its innate or intrinsic properties. (Ben Bradley, 'Two Concepts of Intrinsic Value', Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, Vol. 9, No. 2 (Apr., 2006), pp. 111-130: 112.)



                To say that human beings have innate or intrinsic value, then, is to hold that all humans and only humans, and therefore no non-human animals, possess the relevant properties.



                It is reasonable to ask (a) what these properties are, (b) what is it about them that confers innate or intrinsic value, and (c) what axiological epistemology is available to us to determine the existence and nature of such properties.



                I'm not aware of any theory that delivers credible candidates for (a) - (c).



                It is one thing intrinsically to value all and only human beings - any form of subjectivism can do that. This is merely an attitudinal matter. It is quite another to say that objectively all and only human beings have innate or intrinsic value. That is a truth-claim and I don't see how it can be made good. I am open to rational suasion, however.






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                Innate or intrinsic value is a kind of value such that when it is possessed by
                something, it is possessed by it solely in virtue of its innate or intrinsic properties. (Ben Bradley, 'Two Concepts of Intrinsic Value', Ethical Theory and Moral Practice, Vol. 9, No. 2 (Apr., 2006), pp. 111-130: 112.)



                To say that human beings have innate or intrinsic value, then, is to hold that all humans and only humans, and therefore no non-human animals, possess the relevant properties.



                It is reasonable to ask (a) what these properties are, (b) what is it about them that confers innate or intrinsic value, and (c) what axiological epistemology is available to us to determine the existence and nature of such properties.



                I'm not aware of any theory that delivers credible candidates for (a) - (c).



                It is one thing intrinsically to value all and only human beings - any form of subjectivism can do that. This is merely an attitudinal matter. It is quite another to say that objectively all and only human beings have innate or intrinsic value. That is a truth-claim and I don't see how it can be made good. I am open to rational suasion, however.







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                • Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

                  – elliot svensson
                  8 hours ago











                • I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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                • Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

                  – elliot svensson
                  8 hours ago











                • I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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                Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

                – elliot svensson
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                Would it convince you to prove that only human values matter and that all humans value humans?

                – elliot svensson
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                I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

                – Philip Klöcking
                6 hours ago





                I think the classic candidate would be "dignity", wouldn't it? As in being able to act according to reasons that they are aware of and able to communicate and which hence should be respected (insofar they are compatible with other persons's reasons and wishes). The Kantian absolute value as an end in itself. Doesn't preclude non-human animals per se, but the speciescism debate is only secondary here.

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                Why does human life have innate value over that of other animals?




                In my opinion, you just answered your own question. Observe:



                innately_innate



                If you want the why of it answered in a more detailed and analytical sense, neuroscience research for xenophobic aggression in mammals or fauna in general is probably your best avenue. Here's a paper that reviewed it for Naked Mole Rats: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347296902997






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                  Why does human life have innate value over that of other animals?




                  In my opinion, you just answered your own question. Observe:



                  innately_innate



                  If you want the why of it answered in a more detailed and analytical sense, neuroscience research for xenophobic aggression in mammals or fauna in general is probably your best avenue. Here's a paper that reviewed it for Naked Mole Rats: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347296902997






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                    Why does human life have innate value over that of other animals?




                    In my opinion, you just answered your own question. Observe:



                    innately_innate



                    If you want the why of it answered in a more detailed and analytical sense, neuroscience research for xenophobic aggression in mammals or fauna in general is probably your best avenue. Here's a paper that reviewed it for Naked Mole Rats: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347296902997






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                    Why does human life have innate value over that of other animals?




                    In my opinion, you just answered your own question. Observe:



                    innately_innate



                    If you want the why of it answered in a more detailed and analytical sense, neuroscience research for xenophobic aggression in mammals or fauna in general is probably your best avenue. Here's a paper that reviewed it for Naked Mole Rats: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347296902997







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                        Religion and philosophy are of course not the same thing, but there is a lot that overlaps, and given that for a lot of people in the world, religion has a profound effect on their personal philosophy, I think this answer is important, and deserves to be listed among the other answers.



                        I won't go on and on defending it philosophically, as it rests on belief in religion in general, but it really deserves to at least be mentioned and understood.



                        Christianity and Judaism (and certain sects of Islam?) teach that human beings were created in the Image of God, the imago dei. If this doctrine is true, then it follows directly that there is an intrinsic value placed on human beings.



                        This is a very complex theological doctrine that pervades how we think about and treat other human beings. It is very much ingrained in Western thinking. It has historically been a motivation for much social change.



                        According to this view, animals, however, were not created in the Image of God, and as such, do not have the same intrinsic value as human beings. It's that simple.



                        Note however, that this does not mean that mistreatment of animals is morally okay according to religious doctrine. While not bearing the Image of God, they are part of God's creation that humans are supposed to look after and care for.



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                        Also note that this view is not restricted to people who hold a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. Many believers of the Torah are happy to take Genesis 1 as theological/moral teaching, rather than as scientific/historical teaching. This still leaves many important doctrines to be gleaned from Scripture, including the doctrine of the Image of God. This begs the question, if humans evolved from animals in ages past, when did the Image of God enter the picture? Who knows.






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                          Religion and philosophy are of course not the same thing, but there is a lot that overlaps, and given that for a lot of people in the world, religion has a profound effect on their personal philosophy, I think this answer is important, and deserves to be listed among the other answers.



                          I won't go on and on defending it philosophically, as it rests on belief in religion in general, but it really deserves to at least be mentioned and understood.



                          Christianity and Judaism (and certain sects of Islam?) teach that human beings were created in the Image of God, the imago dei. If this doctrine is true, then it follows directly that there is an intrinsic value placed on human beings.



                          This is a very complex theological doctrine that pervades how we think about and treat other human beings. It is very much ingrained in Western thinking. It has historically been a motivation for much social change.



                          According to this view, animals, however, were not created in the Image of God, and as such, do not have the same intrinsic value as human beings. It's that simple.



                          Note however, that this does not mean that mistreatment of animals is morally okay according to religious doctrine. While not bearing the Image of God, they are part of God's creation that humans are supposed to look after and care for.



                          edit



                          Also note that this view is not restricted to people who hold a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. Many believers of the Torah are happy to take Genesis 1 as theological/moral teaching, rather than as scientific/historical teaching. This still leaves many important doctrines to be gleaned from Scripture, including the doctrine of the Image of God. This begs the question, if humans evolved from animals in ages past, when did the Image of God enter the picture? Who knows.






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                            Religion and philosophy are of course not the same thing, but there is a lot that overlaps, and given that for a lot of people in the world, religion has a profound effect on their personal philosophy, I think this answer is important, and deserves to be listed among the other answers.



                            I won't go on and on defending it philosophically, as it rests on belief in religion in general, but it really deserves to at least be mentioned and understood.



                            Christianity and Judaism (and certain sects of Islam?) teach that human beings were created in the Image of God, the imago dei. If this doctrine is true, then it follows directly that there is an intrinsic value placed on human beings.



                            This is a very complex theological doctrine that pervades how we think about and treat other human beings. It is very much ingrained in Western thinking. It has historically been a motivation for much social change.



                            According to this view, animals, however, were not created in the Image of God, and as such, do not have the same intrinsic value as human beings. It's that simple.



                            Note however, that this does not mean that mistreatment of animals is morally okay according to religious doctrine. While not bearing the Image of God, they are part of God's creation that humans are supposed to look after and care for.



                            edit



                            Also note that this view is not restricted to people who hold a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. Many believers of the Torah are happy to take Genesis 1 as theological/moral teaching, rather than as scientific/historical teaching. This still leaves many important doctrines to be gleaned from Scripture, including the doctrine of the Image of God. This begs the question, if humans evolved from animals in ages past, when did the Image of God enter the picture? Who knows.






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                            Religion and philosophy are of course not the same thing, but there is a lot that overlaps, and given that for a lot of people in the world, religion has a profound effect on their personal philosophy, I think this answer is important, and deserves to be listed among the other answers.



                            I won't go on and on defending it philosophically, as it rests on belief in religion in general, but it really deserves to at least be mentioned and understood.



                            Christianity and Judaism (and certain sects of Islam?) teach that human beings were created in the Image of God, the imago dei. If this doctrine is true, then it follows directly that there is an intrinsic value placed on human beings.



                            This is a very complex theological doctrine that pervades how we think about and treat other human beings. It is very much ingrained in Western thinking. It has historically been a motivation for much social change.



                            According to this view, animals, however, were not created in the Image of God, and as such, do not have the same intrinsic value as human beings. It's that simple.



                            Note however, that this does not mean that mistreatment of animals is morally okay according to religious doctrine. While not bearing the Image of God, they are part of God's creation that humans are supposed to look after and care for.



                            edit



                            Also note that this view is not restricted to people who hold a literal interpretation of Genesis 1. Many believers of the Torah are happy to take Genesis 1 as theological/moral teaching, rather than as scientific/historical teaching. This still leaves many important doctrines to be gleaned from Scripture, including the doctrine of the Image of God. This begs the question, if humans evolved from animals in ages past, when did the Image of God enter the picture? Who knows.







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