Can the term “white trash” for the “rich and famous [who] act badly” be used as a derogatory ethnic...












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In the article White Trash: The Social Origins of a Stigmatype (Matt Wray, 2013), the author explains three use cases for the term white trash (not described in the dictionaries: Wiktionary, Dictionary.com, AHDotEL, Merriam-Webster; not really discussed on this very site; but some of which are alluded to on Wikipedia, despite being challenged as original research; see also Urban Dictionary, no challenging there):




  1. The typical use case (dictionaries) based on the etymology
    documented in the linked Q&A: (US, idiomatic, derogatory, ethnic
    slur) A poorly-educated white person or, collectively, white people
    of low social status (Wiktionary).


  2. What could be called the "badge of honor" use whereby "some white people now identify as “white trash” to signal rebelliousness and cultural difference [...]" (Wray's article), possibly how Trump used it in an interview from the Financial Times (as reported in the NYT):




    Luce reports the story of Trump telling foreign investors that his
    casinos would be flooded by “white trash.” What did he mean by “white
    trash,” the investors asked.



    Trump replied: “They’re people just like me, only they’re poor.”





  3. And a "third popular use of the term: to denigrate and punish the rich and famous when they act badly" (Wray's article, including the following quote):




    Despite her millions, Paris Hilton can be called out for a “trashy”
    lifestyle, and George Clooney can tell us, in his self-mocking kind of
    way, that beneath a dapper exterior, he’s really just white trash.
    And, as comedian and actor Tom Arnold said of his marriage to
    comedian, actress, and sometime political aspirant Roseanne Barr,
    “We’re America’s worst nightmare—white trash with money!”





These last examples are mostly self-referential/deprecating or somewhat minced ("trashy" lifestyle; compare with this about the same person). Don't know if I'm right or wrong but I equate this with a "person's moral failings" which is the primary difference from terms such as redneck (Wikipedia) and obviously none of those people are of "low social status". The Wiktionary entry lists the derived term white trash with cash but there is no actual page for it and Urban contains the variation "with money" which is contested (36/72). In any case it seems pretty clear (to me) the term is not only used in the same way it was almost 200 years ago and I'm trying to figure out if it's the meaning that's changing or expanding, or merely just context...




  • Is the third use case evidence it can stand on its own as a
    derogatory slur to call out privileged/rich well-known white people who fail morally and who don't come from a "humble background"; in such a case is it more accurate to talk about the person's white trashery ("The state or
    characteristic of being, resembling, or behaving in the manner of
    white trash", Wiktionary) or is that third use case a way of referring to this; is the modifier with cash/money better suited in making sure you're not confusing/drawing from the first use case?

  • Can you shed some light into the relative occurrence of the third use case compared with the first two?










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    Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago






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    ... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago











  • ..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago








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    Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

    – Dan Bron
    13 hours ago













  • I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

    – Hot Licks
    5 hours ago
















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In the article White Trash: The Social Origins of a Stigmatype (Matt Wray, 2013), the author explains three use cases for the term white trash (not described in the dictionaries: Wiktionary, Dictionary.com, AHDotEL, Merriam-Webster; not really discussed on this very site; but some of which are alluded to on Wikipedia, despite being challenged as original research; see also Urban Dictionary, no challenging there):




  1. The typical use case (dictionaries) based on the etymology
    documented in the linked Q&A: (US, idiomatic, derogatory, ethnic
    slur) A poorly-educated white person or, collectively, white people
    of low social status (Wiktionary).


  2. What could be called the "badge of honor" use whereby "some white people now identify as “white trash” to signal rebelliousness and cultural difference [...]" (Wray's article), possibly how Trump used it in an interview from the Financial Times (as reported in the NYT):




    Luce reports the story of Trump telling foreign investors that his
    casinos would be flooded by “white trash.” What did he mean by “white
    trash,” the investors asked.



    Trump replied: “They’re people just like me, only they’re poor.”





  3. And a "third popular use of the term: to denigrate and punish the rich and famous when they act badly" (Wray's article, including the following quote):




    Despite her millions, Paris Hilton can be called out for a “trashy”
    lifestyle, and George Clooney can tell us, in his self-mocking kind of
    way, that beneath a dapper exterior, he’s really just white trash.
    And, as comedian and actor Tom Arnold said of his marriage to
    comedian, actress, and sometime political aspirant Roseanne Barr,
    “We’re America’s worst nightmare—white trash with money!”





These last examples are mostly self-referential/deprecating or somewhat minced ("trashy" lifestyle; compare with this about the same person). Don't know if I'm right or wrong but I equate this with a "person's moral failings" which is the primary difference from terms such as redneck (Wikipedia) and obviously none of those people are of "low social status". The Wiktionary entry lists the derived term white trash with cash but there is no actual page for it and Urban contains the variation "with money" which is contested (36/72). In any case it seems pretty clear (to me) the term is not only used in the same way it was almost 200 years ago and I'm trying to figure out if it's the meaning that's changing or expanding, or merely just context...




  • Is the third use case evidence it can stand on its own as a
    derogatory slur to call out privileged/rich well-known white people who fail morally and who don't come from a "humble background"; in such a case is it more accurate to talk about the person's white trashery ("The state or
    characteristic of being, resembling, or behaving in the manner of
    white trash", Wiktionary) or is that third use case a way of referring to this; is the modifier with cash/money better suited in making sure you're not confusing/drawing from the first use case?

  • Can you shed some light into the relative occurrence of the third use case compared with the first two?










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    Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago






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    ... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago











  • ..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago








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    Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

    – Dan Bron
    13 hours ago













  • I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

    – Hot Licks
    5 hours ago














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In the article White Trash: The Social Origins of a Stigmatype (Matt Wray, 2013), the author explains three use cases for the term white trash (not described in the dictionaries: Wiktionary, Dictionary.com, AHDotEL, Merriam-Webster; not really discussed on this very site; but some of which are alluded to on Wikipedia, despite being challenged as original research; see also Urban Dictionary, no challenging there):




  1. The typical use case (dictionaries) based on the etymology
    documented in the linked Q&A: (US, idiomatic, derogatory, ethnic
    slur) A poorly-educated white person or, collectively, white people
    of low social status (Wiktionary).


  2. What could be called the "badge of honor" use whereby "some white people now identify as “white trash” to signal rebelliousness and cultural difference [...]" (Wray's article), possibly how Trump used it in an interview from the Financial Times (as reported in the NYT):




    Luce reports the story of Trump telling foreign investors that his
    casinos would be flooded by “white trash.” What did he mean by “white
    trash,” the investors asked.



    Trump replied: “They’re people just like me, only they’re poor.”





  3. And a "third popular use of the term: to denigrate and punish the rich and famous when they act badly" (Wray's article, including the following quote):




    Despite her millions, Paris Hilton can be called out for a “trashy”
    lifestyle, and George Clooney can tell us, in his self-mocking kind of
    way, that beneath a dapper exterior, he’s really just white trash.
    And, as comedian and actor Tom Arnold said of his marriage to
    comedian, actress, and sometime political aspirant Roseanne Barr,
    “We’re America’s worst nightmare—white trash with money!”





These last examples are mostly self-referential/deprecating or somewhat minced ("trashy" lifestyle; compare with this about the same person). Don't know if I'm right or wrong but I equate this with a "person's moral failings" which is the primary difference from terms such as redneck (Wikipedia) and obviously none of those people are of "low social status". The Wiktionary entry lists the derived term white trash with cash but there is no actual page for it and Urban contains the variation "with money" which is contested (36/72). In any case it seems pretty clear (to me) the term is not only used in the same way it was almost 200 years ago and I'm trying to figure out if it's the meaning that's changing or expanding, or merely just context...




  • Is the third use case evidence it can stand on its own as a
    derogatory slur to call out privileged/rich well-known white people who fail morally and who don't come from a "humble background"; in such a case is it more accurate to talk about the person's white trashery ("The state or
    characteristic of being, resembling, or behaving in the manner of
    white trash", Wiktionary) or is that third use case a way of referring to this; is the modifier with cash/money better suited in making sure you're not confusing/drawing from the first use case?

  • Can you shed some light into the relative occurrence of the third use case compared with the first two?










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In the article White Trash: The Social Origins of a Stigmatype (Matt Wray, 2013), the author explains three use cases for the term white trash (not described in the dictionaries: Wiktionary, Dictionary.com, AHDotEL, Merriam-Webster; not really discussed on this very site; but some of which are alluded to on Wikipedia, despite being challenged as original research; see also Urban Dictionary, no challenging there):




  1. The typical use case (dictionaries) based on the etymology
    documented in the linked Q&A: (US, idiomatic, derogatory, ethnic
    slur) A poorly-educated white person or, collectively, white people
    of low social status (Wiktionary).


  2. What could be called the "badge of honor" use whereby "some white people now identify as “white trash” to signal rebelliousness and cultural difference [...]" (Wray's article), possibly how Trump used it in an interview from the Financial Times (as reported in the NYT):




    Luce reports the story of Trump telling foreign investors that his
    casinos would be flooded by “white trash.” What did he mean by “white
    trash,” the investors asked.



    Trump replied: “They’re people just like me, only they’re poor.”





  3. And a "third popular use of the term: to denigrate and punish the rich and famous when they act badly" (Wray's article, including the following quote):




    Despite her millions, Paris Hilton can be called out for a “trashy”
    lifestyle, and George Clooney can tell us, in his self-mocking kind of
    way, that beneath a dapper exterior, he’s really just white trash.
    And, as comedian and actor Tom Arnold said of his marriage to
    comedian, actress, and sometime political aspirant Roseanne Barr,
    “We’re America’s worst nightmare—white trash with money!”





These last examples are mostly self-referential/deprecating or somewhat minced ("trashy" lifestyle; compare with this about the same person). Don't know if I'm right or wrong but I equate this with a "person's moral failings" which is the primary difference from terms such as redneck (Wikipedia) and obviously none of those people are of "low social status". The Wiktionary entry lists the derived term white trash with cash but there is no actual page for it and Urban contains the variation "with money" which is contested (36/72). In any case it seems pretty clear (to me) the term is not only used in the same way it was almost 200 years ago and I'm trying to figure out if it's the meaning that's changing or expanding, or merely just context...




  • Is the third use case evidence it can stand on its own as a
    derogatory slur to call out privileged/rich well-known white people who fail morally and who don't come from a "humble background"; in such a case is it more accurate to talk about the person's white trashery ("The state or
    characteristic of being, resembling, or behaving in the manner of
    white trash", Wiktionary) or is that third use case a way of referring to this; is the modifier with cash/money better suited in making sure you're not confusing/drawing from the first use case?

  • Can you shed some light into the relative occurrence of the third use case compared with the first two?







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    Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago






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    ... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago











  • ..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago








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    Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

    – Dan Bron
    13 hours ago













  • I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

    – Hot Licks
    5 hours ago














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    Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago






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    ... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago











  • ..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

    – Sven Yargs
    16 hours ago








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    Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

    – Dan Bron
    13 hours ago













  • I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

    – Hot Licks
    5 hours ago








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Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago





Among the earliest forms in which "white trash" appears as a description of a class of people in the United States is in the longer expression "poor white trash," which I find in a Pennsylvania newspaper dating to 1851. Harriet Beecher Stowe, A Key to Uncle Tom's Cabin devotes an entire chapter to "Poor White Trash," a classification that (rather surprisingly) she attributes to slavery: ...

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago




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... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago





... "But it will appear that the institution of slavery has produced not only heathenish, degraded, miserable slaves, but it produces a class of white people who are, by universal admission, more heathenish, degraded and miserable. The institution of slavery has accomplished the double feat, in America, not only of degrading and brutalizing he black working classes, but of producing, notwithstanding a fertile soil, and abundant room, a poor white population as degraded and brutal as ever existed in any of the most crowded districts of Europe." ...

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago













..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago







..."Without schools or churches, these miserabl families grow up heathen on a Christian soil, in idleness, vice, dirt, and discomfort of all sorts. They are the pest of the neighbourhood, the scoff and contempt or pity even of the slaves. The expressive phrase, so common in mouths of the negroes, of 'poor white trash,' says all for this luckless race of beings that can be said." Clearly "white trash" has a long history of use in the United States as a class-based slur; but "white trash with cash" is evidently a far more recent snub for nouveuax riches whites not born to the upper classes.

– Sven Yargs
16 hours ago






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Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

– Dan Bron
13 hours ago







Is this yet another experiment? Are you testing the response if you have a new/unknown account and bowlderize the title? Is all this necessary? Can we just take a break for a few days from any questions which touch on racial epithets, please?

– Dan Bron
13 hours ago















I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

– Hot Licks
5 hours ago





I am recalling my mother, born ca 1920 in rural central Mississippi, briefly explaining (ca 1965) how "white trash" is worse than "ni**ers". Even coming from her highly prejudiced culture, "white trash" folks were purely degenerate, while most black people seemed, to her and her kin, to have some degree of character and virtue.

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Angular material date-picker (MatDatepicker) auto completes the date on focus out