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Let's say a Moon colonist in the future has discovered an alien time machine. A small remnant of humanity still exists on colony worlds in the solar system, but due to runaway climate change, they are extinct on Earth. What event or events would the time traveler have to change in the past in order to make sure climate change as we understand it today never happens? Oh, the time traveler would go back in time on the Moon and has a shuttle that would get him to Earth in that past period.










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    I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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    Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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    Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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    It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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    @JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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Let's say a Moon colonist in the future has discovered an alien time machine. A small remnant of humanity still exists on colony worlds in the solar system, but due to runaway climate change, they are extinct on Earth. What event or events would the time traveler have to change in the past in order to make sure climate change as we understand it today never happens? Oh, the time traveler would go back in time on the Moon and has a shuttle that would get him to Earth in that past period.










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    I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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    Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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    Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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    It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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    @JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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Let's say a Moon colonist in the future has discovered an alien time machine. A small remnant of humanity still exists on colony worlds in the solar system, but due to runaway climate change, they are extinct on Earth. What event or events would the time traveler have to change in the past in order to make sure climate change as we understand it today never happens? Oh, the time traveler would go back in time on the Moon and has a shuttle that would get him to Earth in that past period.










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Let's say a Moon colonist in the future has discovered an alien time machine. A small remnant of humanity still exists on colony worlds in the solar system, but due to runaway climate change, they are extinct on Earth. What event or events would the time traveler have to change in the past in order to make sure climate change as we understand it today never happens? Oh, the time traveler would go back in time on the Moon and has a shuttle that would get him to Earth in that past period.







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    I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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    Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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    Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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    It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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    @JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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    I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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    Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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    Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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    It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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    @JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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I think you are underestimating the challenge facing us in colonizing other planets. No believable amount of climate change would make living on Earth more difficult than living anywhere else in the known universe. It is far easier to build and survive in a hurricane proof/flood proof/blizzard proof bunker here on Earth where water and oxygen are abundant. Nuclear and/or biological warfare can make elsewhere more appealing than here, but climate change alone will never be able to do that.
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Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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Henry, my concern isn't just getting some of the human race to survive. By some estimates, climate change will trigger the next big extinction event, so the vast majority of species on our planet would die off. Also, let's assume that the difficulties of colonizing the Moon, Mars, and other locations in the solar system isn't viable in the long run, thus the time traveler's only option is to change the past and prevent the event(s) believed to have caused climate change.
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Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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Please keep in mind that environmentalists have been claiming that climate change would cause irreversible damage "in the next 5 years" since the 70s. It hasn't happened yet, probably because "climate change" has a strong cyclical contribution. Just like the Little Ice Age (1650-1850) was preceded by the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) and earlier cycles. A time traveler could affect human contribution, but couldn't stop the cycles.
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It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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It absolutely HAS happened. Every species that has gone extinct because of climate change is a truly permanent loss. The expansion of deserts all over the world will take so long to reverse that it is effectively permanent. We are currently in the cooling phase of a Milankovich cycle, and we're still warming. Clearly that means the human contribution is the majority.
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@JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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@JBH That's not the scientific consensus and the more people who spout that "mythical" version the harder it is to make the political changes required to combat the effects of climate change. We have already passed the point where climate change can be reversed. The battle now is to keep the damage from reaching critical levels which involve runaway effects and which minimize the effects on populations and agriculture. Action is required, not denial.
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The mad scientist sledgehammer option for this particular nut.



Kill a very large slice of the world population.



It worked when Europe colonised the Americas, so many natives were killed it actually changed the global climate.




America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’




He travels back in time to to the height of the cold war at its most unstable & dangerous time with some small thermonuclear devices & uses them to provoke a full on nuclear third world war.



The massive resulting reduction in human population successfully reduces industrial production & agricultural drivers of climate change sufficiently to reverse global warming & delay it's resumption from human causes until long after we develop cleaner infrastructure & technologies.



We know from Chernobyl that nature won't have a problem with this & he's clearly not worried about his own existence as such a major change in the worlds history (fixing climate change) will write him out of existence one way or another anyway no matter how it's achieved.





Taking back a flask or two of some really virulent engineered virus could work as well.



But one big advantage of the nuclear option is it's going to (perhaps, hopefully) leave vast swathes of territory largely uninhabitable to any humans (if they want to live much past 20 without dying of cancer & want their children born without genetic defects), great tracts of undisturbed forest to help suck CO2 out of the atmosphere for centuries to come before the land is safely habitable again.






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    Do you have any reference to the climate change induced by the invasion of North America?
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    And yet the Black Death killed of 1X-3X as many people and didn't cause a "little ice age." Hmm..... When I was a teen a local college had a class called "lying with statistics." It was very popular and demonstrated you can prove any goal with the right numbers. Which is why the Pastafarians can legitimately claim the world-wide decline in pirates is causing global warming.
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    Oh, I have no scholarly article to point to - but that's the problem when articles are written from the perspective of a desired outcome. We know the world-wide temperature estimates for both periods, but only one conveniently fits into the "bad human" category - so it got the article. The data showing cyclical planetary patterns has been around for 50 years - but it's not as politically sexy as "bad human." Unless you can point to an article that does support climate change due to the Black Death?
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    Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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Unless the time-traveler is not a time traveler but a dimension traveler, the mere fact that he has experienced a world with the climate change makes it impossible to prevent climate change because of causality:




  • He had experienced climate change


    • so he took a time travel and went back to fix it.



  • He fixes it.


    • He changed the past and the person doesn't ever experience climate change.

    • So he doesn't take a time travel and go back to fix it.



  • He never went back to fix it, so he experienced climate change... Back to the start.


You see, true time travel is impossible as you can't cheat causality. The only safe and sound time travel that does not cause causality errors is one that goes back to try to fix time... and fails, leaving the time traveller with a need to do the time travel in the first place. He goes back to see if he can fix the past... and utterly fails.



Dimension hopping



If you go for dimension hopping on the other hand, your past becomes independent from the past of the mirror-verse you show up in. Suddenly causality can't throw you a wrench into the gears and the traveller can save the alternate reality you ended up in. Though in this case there could be two entirely different entities of the time traveler: the one originating from the universe that experienced climate change... and (unless he destroys the lineage that would lead to the alternate him), his double that never experienced it. But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes.






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    "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
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    ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
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    "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
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    @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
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    The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
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Keeping traveling back even when incentive is lost



A big problem with solving problems trough time travel is that once it is fixed the incentive to travel back in time is lost and thereby no one will travel back in time to keep the timeline fixed.



So what the time traveler has to do is leave a note. Either to himself, or if he never gets born in the new timeline, he has to leave it for someone who he trusts to keep the "fixed" timeline.



How to prevent climate change



He gives working fusion technology to people in 1950 and within 20 to 30 years the amount of CO2 produced per capita will be comparable to the 1820s. Power generation through fusion is supposed to be scaled up and down however you want once we figured out how to keep it running for more than fractions of a second.



So, it will be possible to power all of our electronics from it as well as our cars and everything else that simply needs energy and doesn’t rely on chemical reactions (like our own body).



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It is possible to provide fusion energy even earlier than 1950 but then your time traveler would need to provide more and more knowledge for people to able to built fusion reactors.






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    As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
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    @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
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    @Soan : ^ "This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him" unless I've missed the mark (his point) Hagen is saying the tech isn't possible, so, he can't bring it with him, I'm not saying he's right but if I'm right about what he meant you've not addressed his point there :)
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    It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
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go back to the cold war era and start a "Russians are trying to warm the planet" scare. You will need a lot of money to fund some big advertising campaigns. You also want to seed a few specific technologies like nuclear and solar power to try and push them along.



It believable to the average citizen since every American knows Russia is cold so warming it seems like a good idea for the Russians. Make it clear Russians don't care about pollution and things like that, make pollution a sign of communism. The reds are trying to make the planet to hot for Americans use special gasses is good. It doesn't matter if it is real as long as the fear is real. Simple slogans like "don't let the reds turn up the heat" are good.



The more believable the scare the better, create fake data that will mirror real data.
Then americans will invest absurd amounts of time and resources in researching ways to reduce and counteract greenhouse gasses as well as reduce clean . It will create PR problems for major polluters. The US did some breathtakingly expensive and difficult things to combat the "red threat" many of which are still around. They become synonymous with nationalist views. These methods will steadily spread to the rest of the world.



there are dozens of smaller way to help it along.



If you make americans think russians are opposed to nuclear power because it doesn't help with warming and is too clean you can encourage nuclear power which will go a long way to replacing coal.



Show people farming practices and land usage can be used to combat greenhouse gasses, and real americans will use those methods to screw over the Russians.



Make the Russian way seem like the brute force way while real Americans make things that are more efficient, large brutish Russian cars vs sleek efficient american four cylinders, ect. Make it clear Russians burn coal while americans use clean methods. Combatting fear of nuclear power will help.






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    very funny and might work too :-)
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I obviously already did, since it doesn't exist.






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    Welcome to the site. The system has flagged your answer for it's length and content, please take the tour and read up in our help centre about how we work: How to Answer . Perhaps you could edit your answer to explain how you eradicated the moon from existence in your efforts to save us all.
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Here is an idea:
What if Henry Ford had built his assembly line for an electric car rather than a gas powered car? Before the assembly line brought down the price of the Model T, electric cars were actually less expensive than gas cars. The assembly line would have made these even cheaper.
Electric cars and infrastructure would need more electric power plants. Today that means burning more coal but perhaps your time traveler could also steer us toward nuclear. Perhaps the introduction of and sodium cooled reactors earlier could have alleviated environmental concerns allowing nuclear plants to be more prevalent. This could have lead to thorium reactors reducing nuclear waste concerns and maybe lead to viable fusion type reactors.






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    Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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    Nuclear power in the 20es?
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    Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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    I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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    Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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It would be quite hard to change the history by gifting technology, as we already had the ecological solutions, but time and time again we have rejected them in name of either profit or convenience. For the same reason bringing knowledge of the global climate change work, and it could even accelerate the process.



I think the easiest way would be to infect the humanity with an engineered retrovirus causing one small change- humans would be now much better at recognizing co2 levels, and anything above
250 ppm long term would cause serious psychosomatic issues.






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    An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
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    One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
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    James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
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I hate time travel stories, because they always end up in a contradiction.



Except, this is a time travel story I might actually be able to appreciate. My answer would not only be ironic, but it would also unavoidably and obviously set up an infinite multivibrator or oscillation in time.



You see, the reality is that around 70,000 years ago there was an extinction event that wiped out all but about 10,000 human predecessors. These remaining 10,000 went on to produce the five billion humans on earth today. (That is why the genetic diversity of humans is only 15,000 or so. That is, it only takes a random sample of 15,000 humans to encompass the entire genetic diversity of the human race). This extinction event is hypothesized by some to have been caused by climate change (the irony).



So if this time traveller went back to this time period, and completed the extinction, the root cause of human-moderated climate change is eliminated. Ten thousand people killed is not an insurmountable goal for one human with modern technology at his disposal, especially when he can keep flipping around from place to place and be everywhere at the same time, only at a different 'same time' every time. That is, he could take his time killing them all, but it could all happen at the same time. Fuel for the shuttle? Every time he came back to his starting point on the moon, if he arrived just before he left the time before, he goes back with a full fuel load. That is why time travel is so contradictory.



But as soon as he kills the last remaining human, he himself would cease to exist. Whereupon he would not have been able to kill all the humans, and he would exist again. But then he would come back to kill all the humans, and... Well, you get the oscillation. Climate change - no climate change - climate change - no climate change - climate change....



This would be an ending to a time travel story that I could really get into.






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    Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
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    @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
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Direct bootstrap of nuclear fission technology in the 1700s.



Sounds crazy right? Not so fast.



In order to reliably prevent runaway climate change, we must prevent the situation that caused it, namely cheap coal and oil power. This is quite well accomplished by getting there first with uranium, plutonium, and thorium reactors all at once. Since mining won't be so well developed yet, starting with breeder reactors to extend the fuel supply is a must.



Yes I know what all this entails; an immediate gift of 1950s physics, metallurgy, manufacturing, etc. This is an overwhelming change to society but totally worth it.



I'm just going to assume you have to go about this the long way and can't bring much pre-manufactured stuff with you. The evidence of the re-entry vehicle itself will suffice to prove future origin and that you posses actual knowledge they can't match. Everything will be in fifty pounds or so of books and blueprints. Every piece of metallurgy required starting from the blacksmith to titanium working (you should be able to start a reactor without it but it will be most convenient for mass roll-out). The 1700s are a convenient time because the manufacturing technique is right at the cusp of being able to make a lathe that makes a lathe better than itself. You will need basic electronics, light bulbs, how to build a Geiger counter, how to locate uranium (and if you can get it, the locations of good deposits), safe handling of radioactive components, electric motors, early steam power (to crank generators if nothing else), lead-acid batteries, and quite a bit more I can't think of right off the top.



The idea is to seed this stuff so that by 1859 the response to selling fuel oil is "How crude" (pun very much intended) and nobody wants it because they already have enormous power at their fingertips.



This is a ridiculously valuable gift. Choose wisely which nation gets it. Many of the nations in good shape to receive it now were not back then.






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Apparently the main sources of greenhouse gasses are




  • Transportation (car, rail, ship, aviation)

  • Electricity (power stations)

  • Industry


So a good "event" to change in the past would be "steam engines" powered by fossil fuels -- 18th century.



Maybe she could do that in two ways:




  • Tell the truth -- i.e./ warn of what will happen if fossil fuels are adopted world-wide

  • Provide alternatives -- solar panels, better batteries than today's, safe nuclear power -- also medicine and telecommunications, because once you have those do you really need heavy industry and long-range shipping too? -- whatever other technologies she can carry from the future in that shuttle of hers






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    your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
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    I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
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I once read an article that stated that in the 19th century, the first thermodynamic theories were received with skepticism by the scientific community of the time.

That article wondered that, had those theories been well received since the beginning, the story of science and technology would have been very different.

This is because (Warning: very bad and rough explanation ahead), while the then-predominant Newtonian physics used to see every phenomenon as reversible (just invert in the appropriate way the direction of the forces, and a body will follow the same path in reverse), the principles of thermodynamics (particularly the second one) stated that at every action, something is lost and can't be recovered.

So it was hinted that an early adoption of the thermodynamics (and the concept of irreversibility) in the mainstream scientific and economic culture could have geared the society toward a more conservative and prudent usage of energy sources and natural resources.



Probably it would be an optimistic approach, but a time traveller could use his knowledge of advanced physics to support Boltzmann's theories, or even discover them some tens years before, so that the industrial revolution would also be driven by the awareness of the risks of limited resources and pollution.






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Problems With Time And Incentives



One of the problems with changing the past is, that you don't know where you will end. Killing all people might stop the warming, but not solve your problem. The alteration of the earth climate might be going on now for 10.000 years with the first rice fields and cow breeders. You don't want to change that or any other thing which might hinder humans to go to the moon forever. And I don't see, how nuclear bombs could help humanity survive longer on earth if they were introduced earlier, like let's say as a westener 1618, 1775, 1803 or 1914. And all these people will not believe your time traveler, he might be burned on a stake or end up in a sanatorium.



Solution: Create Incentives And Time



Travel back to a time where everyone can see what global warming does and that it is a good thing to do something against it, but a lot of plants and animals are still there and the people have still the money to invest in their future, some years from our point of view. Introduce all the technology you like, e.g. instant-solar-panel-nanobot-factories or clean and safe nuclear fission plant technology.



If the time runs out too fast, do something to slow down global warming until the other plan works. You don't have to ignite all the forests, tickle yellowstone or start a nuclear war. Just drop a rock on earth, somewhere in the desert, big enough to put up a decent amount of dust in the sky, and you have your cooling. Without (m)any deaths. With your future knowledge you will know exactly how much rock you need, or you just try it out.



Our problem is (or might be) not, that global warming is already irreversible. At least if your main concern is to save most of the humans, but not the dodos, or the mammoths, or some other species which will die out in the next couple of decades or is already dead. The problem might be, that no one wants to pay for the solution until no one has any resources left to do anything, because of all the economic crises, riots, epidemics, floodings etc.






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    The mad scientist sledgehammer option for this particular nut.



    Kill a very large slice of the world population.



    It worked when Europe colonised the Americas, so many natives were killed it actually changed the global climate.




    America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’




    He travels back in time to to the height of the cold war at its most unstable & dangerous time with some small thermonuclear devices & uses them to provoke a full on nuclear third world war.



    The massive resulting reduction in human population successfully reduces industrial production & agricultural drivers of climate change sufficiently to reverse global warming & delay it's resumption from human causes until long after we develop cleaner infrastructure & technologies.



    We know from Chernobyl that nature won't have a problem with this & he's clearly not worried about his own existence as such a major change in the worlds history (fixing climate change) will write him out of existence one way or another anyway no matter how it's achieved.





    Taking back a flask or two of some really virulent engineered virus could work as well.



    But one big advantage of the nuclear option is it's going to (perhaps, hopefully) leave vast swathes of territory largely uninhabitable to any humans (if they want to live much past 20 without dying of cancer & want their children born without genetic defects), great tracts of undisturbed forest to help suck CO2 out of the atmosphere for centuries to come before the land is safely habitable again.






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      Do you have any reference to the climate change induced by the invasion of North America?
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      And yet the Black Death killed of 1X-3X as many people and didn't cause a "little ice age." Hmm..... When I was a teen a local college had a class called "lying with statistics." It was very popular and demonstrated you can prove any goal with the right numbers. Which is why the Pastafarians can legitimately claim the world-wide decline in pirates is causing global warming.
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      Oh, I have no scholarly article to point to - but that's the problem when articles are written from the perspective of a desired outcome. We know the world-wide temperature estimates for both periods, but only one conveniently fits into the "bad human" category - so it got the article. The data showing cyclical planetary patterns has been around for 50 years - but it's not as politically sexy as "bad human." Unless you can point to an article that does support climate change due to the Black Death?
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      Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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    The mad scientist sledgehammer option for this particular nut.



    Kill a very large slice of the world population.



    It worked when Europe colonised the Americas, so many natives were killed it actually changed the global climate.




    America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’




    He travels back in time to to the height of the cold war at its most unstable & dangerous time with some small thermonuclear devices & uses them to provoke a full on nuclear third world war.



    The massive resulting reduction in human population successfully reduces industrial production & agricultural drivers of climate change sufficiently to reverse global warming & delay it's resumption from human causes until long after we develop cleaner infrastructure & technologies.



    We know from Chernobyl that nature won't have a problem with this & he's clearly not worried about his own existence as such a major change in the worlds history (fixing climate change) will write him out of existence one way or another anyway no matter how it's achieved.





    Taking back a flask or two of some really virulent engineered virus could work as well.



    But one big advantage of the nuclear option is it's going to (perhaps, hopefully) leave vast swathes of territory largely uninhabitable to any humans (if they want to live much past 20 without dying of cancer & want their children born without genetic defects), great tracts of undisturbed forest to help suck CO2 out of the atmosphere for centuries to come before the land is safely habitable again.






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      Oh, I have no scholarly article to point to - but that's the problem when articles are written from the perspective of a desired outcome. We know the world-wide temperature estimates for both periods, but only one conveniently fits into the "bad human" category - so it got the article. The data showing cyclical planetary patterns has been around for 50 years - but it's not as politically sexy as "bad human." Unless you can point to an article that does support climate change due to the Black Death?
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      Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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    The mad scientist sledgehammer option for this particular nut.



    Kill a very large slice of the world population.



    It worked when Europe colonised the Americas, so many natives were killed it actually changed the global climate.




    America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’




    He travels back in time to to the height of the cold war at its most unstable & dangerous time with some small thermonuclear devices & uses them to provoke a full on nuclear third world war.



    The massive resulting reduction in human population successfully reduces industrial production & agricultural drivers of climate change sufficiently to reverse global warming & delay it's resumption from human causes until long after we develop cleaner infrastructure & technologies.



    We know from Chernobyl that nature won't have a problem with this & he's clearly not worried about his own existence as such a major change in the worlds history (fixing climate change) will write him out of existence one way or another anyway no matter how it's achieved.





    Taking back a flask or two of some really virulent engineered virus could work as well.



    But one big advantage of the nuclear option is it's going to (perhaps, hopefully) leave vast swathes of territory largely uninhabitable to any humans (if they want to live much past 20 without dying of cancer & want their children born without genetic defects), great tracts of undisturbed forest to help suck CO2 out of the atmosphere for centuries to come before the land is safely habitable again.






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    The mad scientist sledgehammer option for this particular nut.



    Kill a very large slice of the world population.



    It worked when Europe colonised the Americas, so many natives were killed it actually changed the global climate.




    America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’




    He travels back in time to to the height of the cold war at its most unstable & dangerous time with some small thermonuclear devices & uses them to provoke a full on nuclear third world war.



    The massive resulting reduction in human population successfully reduces industrial production & agricultural drivers of climate change sufficiently to reverse global warming & delay it's resumption from human causes until long after we develop cleaner infrastructure & technologies.



    We know from Chernobyl that nature won't have a problem with this & he's clearly not worried about his own existence as such a major change in the worlds history (fixing climate change) will write him out of existence one way or another anyway no matter how it's achieved.





    Taking back a flask or two of some really virulent engineered virus could work as well.



    But one big advantage of the nuclear option is it's going to (perhaps, hopefully) leave vast swathes of territory largely uninhabitable to any humans (if they want to live much past 20 without dying of cancer & want their children born without genetic defects), great tracts of undisturbed forest to help suck CO2 out of the atmosphere for centuries to come before the land is safely habitable again.







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      Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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    Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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    – JBH
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Exactly! Please understand that I spent some years in marketing. Statistics lie all the time. Like all correlated mathematics, it depends on everything from sample size to conditions of the analysis. Marketers manipulate those conditions all the time (it's one reason I left marketing). Please don't misunderstand me - the world is obviously warming and Humanity is certainly causing some of the problems. I just disagree that it's "all our fault" because of miscorrelations like the Black Death and find amusement in how much effort people put into believing it. Faith, by any other name.
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    – JBH
    6 hours ago











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    Not at all



    Unless the time-traveler is not a time traveler but a dimension traveler, the mere fact that he has experienced a world with the climate change makes it impossible to prevent climate change because of causality:




    • He had experienced climate change


      • so he took a time travel and went back to fix it.



    • He fixes it.


      • He changed the past and the person doesn't ever experience climate change.

      • So he doesn't take a time travel and go back to fix it.



    • He never went back to fix it, so he experienced climate change... Back to the start.


    You see, true time travel is impossible as you can't cheat causality. The only safe and sound time travel that does not cause causality errors is one that goes back to try to fix time... and fails, leaving the time traveller with a need to do the time travel in the first place. He goes back to see if he can fix the past... and utterly fails.



    Dimension hopping



    If you go for dimension hopping on the other hand, your past becomes independent from the past of the mirror-verse you show up in. Suddenly causality can't throw you a wrench into the gears and the traveller can save the alternate reality you ended up in. Though in this case there could be two entirely different entities of the time traveler: the one originating from the universe that experienced climate change... and (unless he destroys the lineage that would lead to the alternate him), his double that never experienced it. But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes.






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    • $begingroup$
      "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












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      @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
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      – Trish
      7 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago
















    3












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    Not at all



    Unless the time-traveler is not a time traveler but a dimension traveler, the mere fact that he has experienced a world with the climate change makes it impossible to prevent climate change because of causality:




    • He had experienced climate change


      • so he took a time travel and went back to fix it.



    • He fixes it.


      • He changed the past and the person doesn't ever experience climate change.

      • So he doesn't take a time travel and go back to fix it.



    • He never went back to fix it, so he experienced climate change... Back to the start.


    You see, true time travel is impossible as you can't cheat causality. The only safe and sound time travel that does not cause causality errors is one that goes back to try to fix time... and fails, leaving the time traveller with a need to do the time travel in the first place. He goes back to see if he can fix the past... and utterly fails.



    Dimension hopping



    If you go for dimension hopping on the other hand, your past becomes independent from the past of the mirror-verse you show up in. Suddenly causality can't throw you a wrench into the gears and the traveller can save the alternate reality you ended up in. Though in this case there could be two entirely different entities of the time traveler: the one originating from the universe that experienced climate change... and (unless he destroys the lineage that would lead to the alternate him), his double that never experienced it. But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$













    • $begingroup$
      "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
      $endgroup$
      – Trish
      7 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago














    3












    3








    3





    $begingroup$

    Not at all



    Unless the time-traveler is not a time traveler but a dimension traveler, the mere fact that he has experienced a world with the climate change makes it impossible to prevent climate change because of causality:




    • He had experienced climate change


      • so he took a time travel and went back to fix it.



    • He fixes it.


      • He changed the past and the person doesn't ever experience climate change.

      • So he doesn't take a time travel and go back to fix it.



    • He never went back to fix it, so he experienced climate change... Back to the start.


    You see, true time travel is impossible as you can't cheat causality. The only safe and sound time travel that does not cause causality errors is one that goes back to try to fix time... and fails, leaving the time traveller with a need to do the time travel in the first place. He goes back to see if he can fix the past... and utterly fails.



    Dimension hopping



    If you go for dimension hopping on the other hand, your past becomes independent from the past of the mirror-verse you show up in. Suddenly causality can't throw you a wrench into the gears and the traveller can save the alternate reality you ended up in. Though in this case there could be two entirely different entities of the time traveler: the one originating from the universe that experienced climate change... and (unless he destroys the lineage that would lead to the alternate him), his double that never experienced it. But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Not at all



    Unless the time-traveler is not a time traveler but a dimension traveler, the mere fact that he has experienced a world with the climate change makes it impossible to prevent climate change because of causality:




    • He had experienced climate change


      • so he took a time travel and went back to fix it.



    • He fixes it.


      • He changed the past and the person doesn't ever experience climate change.

      • So he doesn't take a time travel and go back to fix it.



    • He never went back to fix it, so he experienced climate change... Back to the start.


    You see, true time travel is impossible as you can't cheat causality. The only safe and sound time travel that does not cause causality errors is one that goes back to try to fix time... and fails, leaving the time traveller with a need to do the time travel in the first place. He goes back to see if he can fix the past... and utterly fails.



    Dimension hopping



    If you go for dimension hopping on the other hand, your past becomes independent from the past of the mirror-verse you show up in. Suddenly causality can't throw you a wrench into the gears and the traveller can save the alternate reality you ended up in. Though in this case there could be two entirely different entities of the time traveler: the one originating from the universe that experienced climate change... and (unless he destroys the lineage that would lead to the alternate him), his double that never experienced it. But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes.







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    answered 8 hours ago









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    • $begingroup$
      "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
      $endgroup$
      – Trish
      7 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago


















    • $begingroup$
      "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      7 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
      $endgroup$
      – Trish
      7 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    "But at this point, you unpacked Magic, so anything goes" You already did that at the start when you introduced time travel. ~ I generally assume you travel back down your own time line & automatically generate a new time line the instant you arrive ~ suddenly it's exactly the same world it was at that time in the past, plus a few billion atoms.. [pauses, Googles].. huh! sorry "seven billion billion billion" atoms that weren't there last time.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago














    $begingroup$
    ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    ^ [Continued] if you travel forward from there you're going up the new time line & can never really get back to your own original time-line, just one that looks exactly like it, so if you do manage to go back & retro-fix whatever changes you made the first time there's always a copy of you there already.
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago














    $begingroup$
    "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    "Not at all" : I presume from that you share my choices when it comes to viewing how time travel would actually work & your point is that the original time-line he left from won't change one jot & the new time-line he's in is the one that benefits from his changes?
    $endgroup$
    – Pelinore
    7 hours ago














    $begingroup$
    @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
    $endgroup$
    – Trish
    7 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @Pelinore no, I say that the moment he gets close to success, he just ceases to be there as he never had reasons to travel back or was never born, foiling his success. The only way this doesn't happen is if he is doomed to fail.
    $endgroup$
    – Trish
    7 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    The "problem" here is that it defeats most if not all time travel stories in science fiction since, at least according to this perspective, the classic time travel paradox prevents any changes to the past OR creates an alternate timeline. I have something else in mind, and my purpose in asking my question is an attempt to define a destination/destinations for my time traveler.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    6 hours ago











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    Keeping traveling back even when incentive is lost



    A big problem with solving problems trough time travel is that once it is fixed the incentive to travel back in time is lost and thereby no one will travel back in time to keep the timeline fixed.



    So what the time traveler has to do is leave a note. Either to himself, or if he never gets born in the new timeline, he has to leave it for someone who he trusts to keep the "fixed" timeline.



    How to prevent climate change



    He gives working fusion technology to people in 1950 and within 20 to 30 years the amount of CO2 produced per capita will be comparable to the 1820s. Power generation through fusion is supposed to be scaled up and down however you want once we figured out how to keep it running for more than fractions of a second.



    So, it will be possible to power all of our electronics from it as well as our cars and everything else that simply needs energy and doesn’t rely on chemical reactions (like our own body).



    Side notes



    It is possible to provide fusion energy even earlier than 1950 but then your time traveler would need to provide more and more knowledge for people to able to built fusion reactors.






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      As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
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      – Hagen von Eitzen
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
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      – Soan
      6 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Soan : ^ "This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him" unless I've missed the mark (his point) Hagen is saying the tech isn't possible, so, he can't bring it with him, I'm not saying he's right but if I'm right about what he meant you've not addressed his point there :)
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen YBCO is likely the "unobtainium" in question, and could definitely be made with 1950s tech.
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      – eyeballfrog
      1 hour ago












    • $begingroup$
      It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
      $endgroup$
      – Shadowzee
      1 hour ago
















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    Keeping traveling back even when incentive is lost



    A big problem with solving problems trough time travel is that once it is fixed the incentive to travel back in time is lost and thereby no one will travel back in time to keep the timeline fixed.



    So what the time traveler has to do is leave a note. Either to himself, or if he never gets born in the new timeline, he has to leave it for someone who he trusts to keep the "fixed" timeline.



    How to prevent climate change



    He gives working fusion technology to people in 1950 and within 20 to 30 years the amount of CO2 produced per capita will be comparable to the 1820s. Power generation through fusion is supposed to be scaled up and down however you want once we figured out how to keep it running for more than fractions of a second.



    So, it will be possible to power all of our electronics from it as well as our cars and everything else that simply needs energy and doesn’t rely on chemical reactions (like our own body).



    Side notes



    It is possible to provide fusion energy even earlier than 1950 but then your time traveler would need to provide more and more knowledge for people to able to built fusion reactors.






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    • 2




      $begingroup$
      As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
      $endgroup$
      – Hagen von Eitzen
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
      $endgroup$
      – Soan
      6 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Soan : ^ "This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him" unless I've missed the mark (his point) Hagen is saying the tech isn't possible, so, he can't bring it with him, I'm not saying he's right but if I'm right about what he meant you've not addressed his point there :)
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen YBCO is likely the "unobtainium" in question, and could definitely be made with 1950s tech.
      $endgroup$
      – eyeballfrog
      1 hour ago












    • $begingroup$
      It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
      $endgroup$
      – Shadowzee
      1 hour ago














    3












    3








    3





    $begingroup$

    Keeping traveling back even when incentive is lost



    A big problem with solving problems trough time travel is that once it is fixed the incentive to travel back in time is lost and thereby no one will travel back in time to keep the timeline fixed.



    So what the time traveler has to do is leave a note. Either to himself, or if he never gets born in the new timeline, he has to leave it for someone who he trusts to keep the "fixed" timeline.



    How to prevent climate change



    He gives working fusion technology to people in 1950 and within 20 to 30 years the amount of CO2 produced per capita will be comparable to the 1820s. Power generation through fusion is supposed to be scaled up and down however you want once we figured out how to keep it running for more than fractions of a second.



    So, it will be possible to power all of our electronics from it as well as our cars and everything else that simply needs energy and doesn’t rely on chemical reactions (like our own body).



    Side notes



    It is possible to provide fusion energy even earlier than 1950 but then your time traveler would need to provide more and more knowledge for people to able to built fusion reactors.






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    Keeping traveling back even when incentive is lost



    A big problem with solving problems trough time travel is that once it is fixed the incentive to travel back in time is lost and thereby no one will travel back in time to keep the timeline fixed.



    So what the time traveler has to do is leave a note. Either to himself, or if he never gets born in the new timeline, he has to leave it for someone who he trusts to keep the "fixed" timeline.



    How to prevent climate change



    He gives working fusion technology to people in 1950 and within 20 to 30 years the amount of CO2 produced per capita will be comparable to the 1820s. Power generation through fusion is supposed to be scaled up and down however you want once we figured out how to keep it running for more than fractions of a second.



    So, it will be possible to power all of our electronics from it as well as our cars and everything else that simply needs energy and doesn’t rely on chemical reactions (like our own body).



    Side notes



    It is possible to provide fusion energy even earlier than 1950 but then your time traveler would need to provide more and more knowledge for people to able to built fusion reactors.







    share|improve this answer














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    • 2




      $begingroup$
      As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
      $endgroup$
      – Hagen von Eitzen
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
      $endgroup$
      – Soan
      6 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Soan : ^ "This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him" unless I've missed the mark (his point) Hagen is saying the tech isn't possible, so, he can't bring it with him, I'm not saying he's right but if I'm right about what he meant you've not addressed his point there :)
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen YBCO is likely the "unobtainium" in question, and could definitely be made with 1950s tech.
      $endgroup$
      – eyeballfrog
      1 hour ago












    • $begingroup$
      It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
      $endgroup$
      – Shadowzee
      1 hour ago














    • 2




      $begingroup$
      As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
      $endgroup$
      – Hagen von Eitzen
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
      $endgroup$
      – Soan
      6 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      @Soan : ^ "This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him" unless I've missed the mark (his point) Hagen is saying the tech isn't possible, so, he can't bring it with him, I'm not saying he's right but if I'm right about what he meant you've not addressed his point there :)
      $endgroup$
      – Pelinore
      2 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @HagenvonEitzen YBCO is likely the "unobtainium" in question, and could definitely be made with 1950s tech.
      $endgroup$
      – eyeballfrog
      1 hour ago












    • $begingroup$
      It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
      $endgroup$
      – Shadowzee
      1 hour ago








    2




    2




    $begingroup$
    As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
    $endgroup$
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    As far as we know today, stable fusion seems to require some unobtainium - where to obtain that in the 1950's?
    $endgroup$
    – Hagen von Eitzen
    6 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
    $endgroup$
    – Soan
    6 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    @HagenvonEitzen This is technology the time traveler would of course need to bring with him as well but the groundwork would already be laid in the 1950's.
    $endgroup$
    – Soan
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    It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
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    It might be possible to slow coal down if you stopped the nuclear disasters like chernobyl. 3 mile and Fukishima, which scared the public and has bogged nuclear power down in regulations. Which might of meant that more plants constructed are nuclear slowing down the effects of global warming.
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    go back to the cold war era and start a "Russians are trying to warm the planet" scare. You will need a lot of money to fund some big advertising campaigns. You also want to seed a few specific technologies like nuclear and solar power to try and push them along.



    It believable to the average citizen since every American knows Russia is cold so warming it seems like a good idea for the Russians. Make it clear Russians don't care about pollution and things like that, make pollution a sign of communism. The reds are trying to make the planet to hot for Americans use special gasses is good. It doesn't matter if it is real as long as the fear is real. Simple slogans like "don't let the reds turn up the heat" are good.



    The more believable the scare the better, create fake data that will mirror real data.
    Then americans will invest absurd amounts of time and resources in researching ways to reduce and counteract greenhouse gasses as well as reduce clean . It will create PR problems for major polluters. The US did some breathtakingly expensive and difficult things to combat the "red threat" many of which are still around. They become synonymous with nationalist views. These methods will steadily spread to the rest of the world.



    there are dozens of smaller way to help it along.



    If you make americans think russians are opposed to nuclear power because it doesn't help with warming and is too clean you can encourage nuclear power which will go a long way to replacing coal.



    Show people farming practices and land usage can be used to combat greenhouse gasses, and real americans will use those methods to screw over the Russians.



    Make the Russian way seem like the brute force way while real Americans make things that are more efficient, large brutish Russian cars vs sleek efficient american four cylinders, ect. Make it clear Russians burn coal while americans use clean methods. Combatting fear of nuclear power will help.






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      very funny and might work too :-)
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    go back to the cold war era and start a "Russians are trying to warm the planet" scare. You will need a lot of money to fund some big advertising campaigns. You also want to seed a few specific technologies like nuclear and solar power to try and push them along.



    It believable to the average citizen since every American knows Russia is cold so warming it seems like a good idea for the Russians. Make it clear Russians don't care about pollution and things like that, make pollution a sign of communism. The reds are trying to make the planet to hot for Americans use special gasses is good. It doesn't matter if it is real as long as the fear is real. Simple slogans like "don't let the reds turn up the heat" are good.



    The more believable the scare the better, create fake data that will mirror real data.
    Then americans will invest absurd amounts of time and resources in researching ways to reduce and counteract greenhouse gasses as well as reduce clean . It will create PR problems for major polluters. The US did some breathtakingly expensive and difficult things to combat the "red threat" many of which are still around. They become synonymous with nationalist views. These methods will steadily spread to the rest of the world.



    there are dozens of smaller way to help it along.



    If you make americans think russians are opposed to nuclear power because it doesn't help with warming and is too clean you can encourage nuclear power which will go a long way to replacing coal.



    Show people farming practices and land usage can be used to combat greenhouse gasses, and real americans will use those methods to screw over the Russians.



    Make the Russian way seem like the brute force way while real Americans make things that are more efficient, large brutish Russian cars vs sleek efficient american four cylinders, ect. Make it clear Russians burn coal while americans use clean methods. Combatting fear of nuclear power will help.






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      very funny and might work too :-)
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    go back to the cold war era and start a "Russians are trying to warm the planet" scare. You will need a lot of money to fund some big advertising campaigns. You also want to seed a few specific technologies like nuclear and solar power to try and push them along.



    It believable to the average citizen since every American knows Russia is cold so warming it seems like a good idea for the Russians. Make it clear Russians don't care about pollution and things like that, make pollution a sign of communism. The reds are trying to make the planet to hot for Americans use special gasses is good. It doesn't matter if it is real as long as the fear is real. Simple slogans like "don't let the reds turn up the heat" are good.



    The more believable the scare the better, create fake data that will mirror real data.
    Then americans will invest absurd amounts of time and resources in researching ways to reduce and counteract greenhouse gasses as well as reduce clean . It will create PR problems for major polluters. The US did some breathtakingly expensive and difficult things to combat the "red threat" many of which are still around. They become synonymous with nationalist views. These methods will steadily spread to the rest of the world.



    there are dozens of smaller way to help it along.



    If you make americans think russians are opposed to nuclear power because it doesn't help with warming and is too clean you can encourage nuclear power which will go a long way to replacing coal.



    Show people farming practices and land usage can be used to combat greenhouse gasses, and real americans will use those methods to screw over the Russians.



    Make the Russian way seem like the brute force way while real Americans make things that are more efficient, large brutish Russian cars vs sleek efficient american four cylinders, ect. Make it clear Russians burn coal while americans use clean methods. Combatting fear of nuclear power will help.






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    go back to the cold war era and start a "Russians are trying to warm the planet" scare. You will need a lot of money to fund some big advertising campaigns. You also want to seed a few specific technologies like nuclear and solar power to try and push them along.



    It believable to the average citizen since every American knows Russia is cold so warming it seems like a good idea for the Russians. Make it clear Russians don't care about pollution and things like that, make pollution a sign of communism. The reds are trying to make the planet to hot for Americans use special gasses is good. It doesn't matter if it is real as long as the fear is real. Simple slogans like "don't let the reds turn up the heat" are good.



    The more believable the scare the better, create fake data that will mirror real data.
    Then americans will invest absurd amounts of time and resources in researching ways to reduce and counteract greenhouse gasses as well as reduce clean . It will create PR problems for major polluters. The US did some breathtakingly expensive and difficult things to combat the "red threat" many of which are still around. They become synonymous with nationalist views. These methods will steadily spread to the rest of the world.



    there are dozens of smaller way to help it along.



    If you make americans think russians are opposed to nuclear power because it doesn't help with warming and is too clean you can encourage nuclear power which will go a long way to replacing coal.



    Show people farming practices and land usage can be used to combat greenhouse gasses, and real americans will use those methods to screw over the Russians.



    Make the Russian way seem like the brute force way while real Americans make things that are more efficient, large brutish Russian cars vs sleek efficient american four cylinders, ect. Make it clear Russians burn coal while americans use clean methods. Combatting fear of nuclear power will help.







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      very funny and might work too :-)
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      very funny and might work too :-)
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    very funny and might work too :-)
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    very funny and might work too :-)
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    Here is an idea:
    What if Henry Ford had built his assembly line for an electric car rather than a gas powered car? Before the assembly line brought down the price of the Model T, electric cars were actually less expensive than gas cars. The assembly line would have made these even cheaper.
    Electric cars and infrastructure would need more electric power plants. Today that means burning more coal but perhaps your time traveler could also steer us toward nuclear. Perhaps the introduction of and sodium cooled reactors earlier could have alleviated environmental concerns allowing nuclear plants to be more prevalent. This could have lead to thorium reactors reducing nuclear waste concerns and maybe lead to viable fusion type reactors.






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      Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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      Nuclear power in the 20es?
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      Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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      I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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      Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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    Here is an idea:
    What if Henry Ford had built his assembly line for an electric car rather than a gas powered car? Before the assembly line brought down the price of the Model T, electric cars were actually less expensive than gas cars. The assembly line would have made these even cheaper.
    Electric cars and infrastructure would need more electric power plants. Today that means burning more coal but perhaps your time traveler could also steer us toward nuclear. Perhaps the introduction of and sodium cooled reactors earlier could have alleviated environmental concerns allowing nuclear plants to be more prevalent. This could have lead to thorium reactors reducing nuclear waste concerns and maybe lead to viable fusion type reactors.






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      Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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      Nuclear power in the 20es?
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      Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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      I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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      Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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    Here is an idea:
    What if Henry Ford had built his assembly line for an electric car rather than a gas powered car? Before the assembly line brought down the price of the Model T, electric cars were actually less expensive than gas cars. The assembly line would have made these even cheaper.
    Electric cars and infrastructure would need more electric power plants. Today that means burning more coal but perhaps your time traveler could also steer us toward nuclear. Perhaps the introduction of and sodium cooled reactors earlier could have alleviated environmental concerns allowing nuclear plants to be more prevalent. This could have lead to thorium reactors reducing nuclear waste concerns and maybe lead to viable fusion type reactors.






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    Here is an idea:
    What if Henry Ford had built his assembly line for an electric car rather than a gas powered car? Before the assembly line brought down the price of the Model T, electric cars were actually less expensive than gas cars. The assembly line would have made these even cheaper.
    Electric cars and infrastructure would need more electric power plants. Today that means burning more coal but perhaps your time traveler could also steer us toward nuclear. Perhaps the introduction of and sodium cooled reactors earlier could have alleviated environmental concerns allowing nuclear plants to be more prevalent. This could have lead to thorium reactors reducing nuclear waste concerns and maybe lead to viable fusion type reactors.







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      Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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      Nuclear power in the 20es?
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      Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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      I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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      9 hours ago












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      Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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      Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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      Nuclear power in the 20es?
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      Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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      I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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      Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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    Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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    Yes, but would shifting from the internal combustion engine for autos to electric have been enough? Also, the time traveler can't hang around for decades, nor does he/she have an incredible influence over the course of long term events, such as "guiding" nations to greater reliance on nuclear. We're talking about going back either to one time or several and promoting/preventing specific innovations, even if it meant saving/killing the innovator (desperate time traveler).
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    Nuclear power in the 20es?
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    Nuclear power in the 20es?
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    Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
    $endgroup$
    – chasly from UK
    9 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Hi QuantumZ and welcome to Worldbuilding! I'm not sure that this is a complete answer. Would a random time traveller have the technological skills, and persuasiveness to get a strong personality like Henry Ford to do something different. He made his decisions for a reason and as a businessman he was certainly successful as a result of those decisions.
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    I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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    I'm not sure switching to electric cars would be enough but things could have been much different i think if we had. If your time traveler can travel just once then he would have no choice bit to stick around. If he can continue to travel then he could affect multiple events.
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    Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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    8 hours ago




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    Thanks Chasly. I didn't see this as a random time traveler. I think he or she would have purpose otherwise they may just decide to travel back to a nicer time to live out their life. So they must know something that we could have done differently to avoid disaster. I would see the plan of the time traveler to come back with sufficient time to gain enough power and influence to affect the event. So come in 10 years early and make money in the stock market. Influence politicians and industry leaders through investment with this wealth. But again,the Henry Ford thing was just an idea.
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    It would be quite hard to change the history by gifting technology, as we already had the ecological solutions, but time and time again we have rejected them in name of either profit or convenience. For the same reason bringing knowledge of the global climate change work, and it could even accelerate the process.



    I think the easiest way would be to infect the humanity with an engineered retrovirus causing one small change- humans would be now much better at recognizing co2 levels, and anything above
    250 ppm long term would cause serious psychosomatic issues.






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      An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago












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      James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
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      2 hours ago


















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    It would be quite hard to change the history by gifting technology, as we already had the ecological solutions, but time and time again we have rejected them in name of either profit or convenience. For the same reason bringing knowledge of the global climate change work, and it could even accelerate the process.



    I think the easiest way would be to infect the humanity with an engineered retrovirus causing one small change- humans would be now much better at recognizing co2 levels, and anything above
    250 ppm long term would cause serious psychosomatic issues.






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    • $begingroup$
      An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
      $endgroup$
      – Lumberjack
      2 hours ago
















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    $begingroup$

    It would be quite hard to change the history by gifting technology, as we already had the ecological solutions, but time and time again we have rejected them in name of either profit or convenience. For the same reason bringing knowledge of the global climate change work, and it could even accelerate the process.



    I think the easiest way would be to infect the humanity with an engineered retrovirus causing one small change- humans would be now much better at recognizing co2 levels, and anything above
    250 ppm long term would cause serious psychosomatic issues.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    It would be quite hard to change the history by gifting technology, as we already had the ecological solutions, but time and time again we have rejected them in name of either profit or convenience. For the same reason bringing knowledge of the global climate change work, and it could even accelerate the process.



    I think the easiest way would be to infect the humanity with an engineered retrovirus causing one small change- humans would be now much better at recognizing co2 levels, and anything above
    250 ppm long term would cause serious psychosomatic issues.







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    answered 6 hours ago









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    • $begingroup$
      An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
      $endgroup$
      – Lumberjack
      2 hours ago




















    • $begingroup$
      An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago












    • $begingroup$
      James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
      $endgroup$
      – Lumberjack
      2 hours ago


















    $begingroup$
    An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    An interesting thought, Lumberjack. Maybe "recognizing" wouldn't be as effective as a retrovirus that would result in severe medical consequences (mass deaths, for instance) should CO2 levels rise above 250 ppm. The problem is that you can't change just one thing. In making such a biological change in all people everywhere, what else would change? There are probably too many variables to manage with this answer.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    6 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
    $endgroup$
    – Justin Thyme the Second
    3 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    One interesting unintended consequence would be that Apollo 13 would not have ended favorably. The biggest problem in the middle stages of the crisis was the rising CO2 levels in the capsule were pretty close to critical levels even for humans as we are today. They spent considerable time rigging up a makeshift CO2 scrubber to lower the levels
    $endgroup$
    – Justin Thyme the Second
    3 hours ago














    $begingroup$
    James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
    $endgroup$
    – Lumberjack
    2 hours ago






    $begingroup$
    James, as far as I know we can already detect dangerous levels of co2, so it would be easier (though by no means easy) to put that sense into overdrive. As to serious consequences, I would rather avoid that and settle for just making the sensation unpleasant, as there might be other triggers, and we to cause human extinction.
    $endgroup$
    – Lumberjack
    2 hours ago













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    I hate time travel stories, because they always end up in a contradiction.



    Except, this is a time travel story I might actually be able to appreciate. My answer would not only be ironic, but it would also unavoidably and obviously set up an infinite multivibrator or oscillation in time.



    You see, the reality is that around 70,000 years ago there was an extinction event that wiped out all but about 10,000 human predecessors. These remaining 10,000 went on to produce the five billion humans on earth today. (That is why the genetic diversity of humans is only 15,000 or so. That is, it only takes a random sample of 15,000 humans to encompass the entire genetic diversity of the human race). This extinction event is hypothesized by some to have been caused by climate change (the irony).



    So if this time traveller went back to this time period, and completed the extinction, the root cause of human-moderated climate change is eliminated. Ten thousand people killed is not an insurmountable goal for one human with modern technology at his disposal, especially when he can keep flipping around from place to place and be everywhere at the same time, only at a different 'same time' every time. That is, he could take his time killing them all, but it could all happen at the same time. Fuel for the shuttle? Every time he came back to his starting point on the moon, if he arrived just before he left the time before, he goes back with a full fuel load. That is why time travel is so contradictory.



    But as soon as he kills the last remaining human, he himself would cease to exist. Whereupon he would not have been able to kill all the humans, and he would exist again. But then he would come back to kill all the humans, and... Well, you get the oscillation. Climate change - no climate change - climate change - no climate change - climate change....



    This would be an ending to a time travel story that I could really get into.






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      Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
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      – James
      4 hours ago










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      @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
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      4 hours ago
















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    I hate time travel stories, because they always end up in a contradiction.



    Except, this is a time travel story I might actually be able to appreciate. My answer would not only be ironic, but it would also unavoidably and obviously set up an infinite multivibrator or oscillation in time.



    You see, the reality is that around 70,000 years ago there was an extinction event that wiped out all but about 10,000 human predecessors. These remaining 10,000 went on to produce the five billion humans on earth today. (That is why the genetic diversity of humans is only 15,000 or so. That is, it only takes a random sample of 15,000 humans to encompass the entire genetic diversity of the human race). This extinction event is hypothesized by some to have been caused by climate change (the irony).



    So if this time traveller went back to this time period, and completed the extinction, the root cause of human-moderated climate change is eliminated. Ten thousand people killed is not an insurmountable goal for one human with modern technology at his disposal, especially when he can keep flipping around from place to place and be everywhere at the same time, only at a different 'same time' every time. That is, he could take his time killing them all, but it could all happen at the same time. Fuel for the shuttle? Every time he came back to his starting point on the moon, if he arrived just before he left the time before, he goes back with a full fuel load. That is why time travel is so contradictory.



    But as soon as he kills the last remaining human, he himself would cease to exist. Whereupon he would not have been able to kill all the humans, and he would exist again. But then he would come back to kill all the humans, and... Well, you get the oscillation. Climate change - no climate change - climate change - no climate change - climate change....



    This would be an ending to a time travel story that I could really get into.






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    • $begingroup$
      Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
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      – Justin Thyme the Second
      4 hours ago














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    $begingroup$

    I hate time travel stories, because they always end up in a contradiction.



    Except, this is a time travel story I might actually be able to appreciate. My answer would not only be ironic, but it would also unavoidably and obviously set up an infinite multivibrator or oscillation in time.



    You see, the reality is that around 70,000 years ago there was an extinction event that wiped out all but about 10,000 human predecessors. These remaining 10,000 went on to produce the five billion humans on earth today. (That is why the genetic diversity of humans is only 15,000 or so. That is, it only takes a random sample of 15,000 humans to encompass the entire genetic diversity of the human race). This extinction event is hypothesized by some to have been caused by climate change (the irony).



    So if this time traveller went back to this time period, and completed the extinction, the root cause of human-moderated climate change is eliminated. Ten thousand people killed is not an insurmountable goal for one human with modern technology at his disposal, especially when he can keep flipping around from place to place and be everywhere at the same time, only at a different 'same time' every time. That is, he could take his time killing them all, but it could all happen at the same time. Fuel for the shuttle? Every time he came back to his starting point on the moon, if he arrived just before he left the time before, he goes back with a full fuel load. That is why time travel is so contradictory.



    But as soon as he kills the last remaining human, he himself would cease to exist. Whereupon he would not have been able to kill all the humans, and he would exist again. But then he would come back to kill all the humans, and... Well, you get the oscillation. Climate change - no climate change - climate change - no climate change - climate change....



    This would be an ending to a time travel story that I could really get into.






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    $endgroup$



    I hate time travel stories, because they always end up in a contradiction.



    Except, this is a time travel story I might actually be able to appreciate. My answer would not only be ironic, but it would also unavoidably and obviously set up an infinite multivibrator or oscillation in time.



    You see, the reality is that around 70,000 years ago there was an extinction event that wiped out all but about 10,000 human predecessors. These remaining 10,000 went on to produce the five billion humans on earth today. (That is why the genetic diversity of humans is only 15,000 or so. That is, it only takes a random sample of 15,000 humans to encompass the entire genetic diversity of the human race). This extinction event is hypothesized by some to have been caused by climate change (the irony).



    So if this time traveller went back to this time period, and completed the extinction, the root cause of human-moderated climate change is eliminated. Ten thousand people killed is not an insurmountable goal for one human with modern technology at his disposal, especially when he can keep flipping around from place to place and be everywhere at the same time, only at a different 'same time' every time. That is, he could take his time killing them all, but it could all happen at the same time. Fuel for the shuttle? Every time he came back to his starting point on the moon, if he arrived just before he left the time before, he goes back with a full fuel load. That is why time travel is so contradictory.



    But as soon as he kills the last remaining human, he himself would cease to exist. Whereupon he would not have been able to kill all the humans, and he would exist again. But then he would come back to kill all the humans, and... Well, you get the oscillation. Climate change - no climate change - climate change - no climate change - climate change....



    This would be an ending to a time travel story that I could really get into.







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    answered 4 hours ago









    Justin Thyme the SecondJustin Thyme the Second

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    • $begingroup$
      Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










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      @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      4 hours ago


















    • $begingroup$
      Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      4 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Interesting, but over what area are these 10,000 humans spread. If they were in one small town, a nuke would do it, but extended around various parts of the planet, it would be more difficult to eliminate them all. Of course, the time traveler is trying to stop climate change to prevent human extinction, and if the only way is to cause people to become extinct, he might as well save himself the effort.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    4 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
    $endgroup$
    – Justin Thyme the Second
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @James The area over which they are spread is irrelevant. The person has access to a shuttle and infinite fuel and infinite time to do it in. But I am glad you see the irony - to eliminate human moderated climate change to prevent the extinction of humans, requires the extinction of humans in a long ago climate change extinction event that almost caused the extinction of humans.
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    – Justin Thyme the Second
    4 hours ago











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    Direct bootstrap of nuclear fission technology in the 1700s.



    Sounds crazy right? Not so fast.



    In order to reliably prevent runaway climate change, we must prevent the situation that caused it, namely cheap coal and oil power. This is quite well accomplished by getting there first with uranium, plutonium, and thorium reactors all at once. Since mining won't be so well developed yet, starting with breeder reactors to extend the fuel supply is a must.



    Yes I know what all this entails; an immediate gift of 1950s physics, metallurgy, manufacturing, etc. This is an overwhelming change to society but totally worth it.



    I'm just going to assume you have to go about this the long way and can't bring much pre-manufactured stuff with you. The evidence of the re-entry vehicle itself will suffice to prove future origin and that you posses actual knowledge they can't match. Everything will be in fifty pounds or so of books and blueprints. Every piece of metallurgy required starting from the blacksmith to titanium working (you should be able to start a reactor without it but it will be most convenient for mass roll-out). The 1700s are a convenient time because the manufacturing technique is right at the cusp of being able to make a lathe that makes a lathe better than itself. You will need basic electronics, light bulbs, how to build a Geiger counter, how to locate uranium (and if you can get it, the locations of good deposits), safe handling of radioactive components, electric motors, early steam power (to crank generators if nothing else), lead-acid batteries, and quite a bit more I can't think of right off the top.



    The idea is to seed this stuff so that by 1859 the response to selling fuel oil is "How crude" (pun very much intended) and nobody wants it because they already have enormous power at their fingertips.



    This is a ridiculously valuable gift. Choose wisely which nation gets it. Many of the nations in good shape to receive it now were not back then.






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      at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
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      3 hours ago










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      @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
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      3 hours ago
















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    $begingroup$

    Direct bootstrap of nuclear fission technology in the 1700s.



    Sounds crazy right? Not so fast.



    In order to reliably prevent runaway climate change, we must prevent the situation that caused it, namely cheap coal and oil power. This is quite well accomplished by getting there first with uranium, plutonium, and thorium reactors all at once. Since mining won't be so well developed yet, starting with breeder reactors to extend the fuel supply is a must.



    Yes I know what all this entails; an immediate gift of 1950s physics, metallurgy, manufacturing, etc. This is an overwhelming change to society but totally worth it.



    I'm just going to assume you have to go about this the long way and can't bring much pre-manufactured stuff with you. The evidence of the re-entry vehicle itself will suffice to prove future origin and that you posses actual knowledge they can't match. Everything will be in fifty pounds or so of books and blueprints. Every piece of metallurgy required starting from the blacksmith to titanium working (you should be able to start a reactor without it but it will be most convenient for mass roll-out). The 1700s are a convenient time because the manufacturing technique is right at the cusp of being able to make a lathe that makes a lathe better than itself. You will need basic electronics, light bulbs, how to build a Geiger counter, how to locate uranium (and if you can get it, the locations of good deposits), safe handling of radioactive components, electric motors, early steam power (to crank generators if nothing else), lead-acid batteries, and quite a bit more I can't think of right off the top.



    The idea is to seed this stuff so that by 1859 the response to selling fuel oil is "How crude" (pun very much intended) and nobody wants it because they already have enormous power at their fingertips.



    This is a ridiculously valuable gift. Choose wisely which nation gets it. Many of the nations in good shape to receive it now were not back then.






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      at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
      $endgroup$
      – Henning M.
      3 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago














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    $begingroup$

    Direct bootstrap of nuclear fission technology in the 1700s.



    Sounds crazy right? Not so fast.



    In order to reliably prevent runaway climate change, we must prevent the situation that caused it, namely cheap coal and oil power. This is quite well accomplished by getting there first with uranium, plutonium, and thorium reactors all at once. Since mining won't be so well developed yet, starting with breeder reactors to extend the fuel supply is a must.



    Yes I know what all this entails; an immediate gift of 1950s physics, metallurgy, manufacturing, etc. This is an overwhelming change to society but totally worth it.



    I'm just going to assume you have to go about this the long way and can't bring much pre-manufactured stuff with you. The evidence of the re-entry vehicle itself will suffice to prove future origin and that you posses actual knowledge they can't match. Everything will be in fifty pounds or so of books and blueprints. Every piece of metallurgy required starting from the blacksmith to titanium working (you should be able to start a reactor without it but it will be most convenient for mass roll-out). The 1700s are a convenient time because the manufacturing technique is right at the cusp of being able to make a lathe that makes a lathe better than itself. You will need basic electronics, light bulbs, how to build a Geiger counter, how to locate uranium (and if you can get it, the locations of good deposits), safe handling of radioactive components, electric motors, early steam power (to crank generators if nothing else), lead-acid batteries, and quite a bit more I can't think of right off the top.



    The idea is to seed this stuff so that by 1859 the response to selling fuel oil is "How crude" (pun very much intended) and nobody wants it because they already have enormous power at their fingertips.



    This is a ridiculously valuable gift. Choose wisely which nation gets it. Many of the nations in good shape to receive it now were not back then.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Direct bootstrap of nuclear fission technology in the 1700s.



    Sounds crazy right? Not so fast.



    In order to reliably prevent runaway climate change, we must prevent the situation that caused it, namely cheap coal and oil power. This is quite well accomplished by getting there first with uranium, plutonium, and thorium reactors all at once. Since mining won't be so well developed yet, starting with breeder reactors to extend the fuel supply is a must.



    Yes I know what all this entails; an immediate gift of 1950s physics, metallurgy, manufacturing, etc. This is an overwhelming change to society but totally worth it.



    I'm just going to assume you have to go about this the long way and can't bring much pre-manufactured stuff with you. The evidence of the re-entry vehicle itself will suffice to prove future origin and that you posses actual knowledge they can't match. Everything will be in fifty pounds or so of books and blueprints. Every piece of metallurgy required starting from the blacksmith to titanium working (you should be able to start a reactor without it but it will be most convenient for mass roll-out). The 1700s are a convenient time because the manufacturing technique is right at the cusp of being able to make a lathe that makes a lathe better than itself. You will need basic electronics, light bulbs, how to build a Geiger counter, how to locate uranium (and if you can get it, the locations of good deposits), safe handling of radioactive components, electric motors, early steam power (to crank generators if nothing else), lead-acid batteries, and quite a bit more I can't think of right off the top.



    The idea is to seed this stuff so that by 1859 the response to selling fuel oil is "How crude" (pun very much intended) and nobody wants it because they already have enormous power at their fingertips.



    This is a ridiculously valuable gift. Choose wisely which nation gets it. Many of the nations in good shape to receive it now were not back then.







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    answered 4 hours ago









    JoshuaJoshua

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      at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
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      – Henning M.
      3 hours ago










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      @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
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      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago


















    • $begingroup$
      at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
      $endgroup$
      – Henning M.
      3 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
      $endgroup$
      – Justin Thyme the Second
      3 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning M.
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    at least the Thirty Years' War would be much shorter if they use nuclear weapons.
    $endgroup$
    – Henning M.
    3 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
    $endgroup$
    – Justin Thyme the Second
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    @Henning M. More likely it would turn into a Hundred Years War given the half life of some radioactive byproducts.
    $endgroup$
    – Justin Thyme the Second
    3 hours ago











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    Apparently the main sources of greenhouse gasses are




    • Transportation (car, rail, ship, aviation)

    • Electricity (power stations)

    • Industry


    So a good "event" to change in the past would be "steam engines" powered by fossil fuels -- 18th century.



    Maybe she could do that in two ways:




    • Tell the truth -- i.e./ warn of what will happen if fossil fuels are adopted world-wide

    • Provide alternatives -- solar panels, better batteries than today's, safe nuclear power -- also medicine and telecommunications, because once you have those do you really need heavy industry and long-range shipping too? -- whatever other technologies she can carry from the future in that shuttle of hers






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    • $begingroup$
      your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
      $endgroup$
      – ChrisW
      4 hours ago
















    0












    $begingroup$

    Apparently the main sources of greenhouse gasses are




    • Transportation (car, rail, ship, aviation)

    • Electricity (power stations)

    • Industry


    So a good "event" to change in the past would be "steam engines" powered by fossil fuels -- 18th century.



    Maybe she could do that in two ways:




    • Tell the truth -- i.e./ warn of what will happen if fossil fuels are adopted world-wide

    • Provide alternatives -- solar panels, better batteries than today's, safe nuclear power -- also medicine and telecommunications, because once you have those do you really need heavy industry and long-range shipping too? -- whatever other technologies she can carry from the future in that shuttle of hers






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$













    • $begingroup$
      your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
      $endgroup$
      – ChrisW
      4 hours ago














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    0








    0





    $begingroup$

    Apparently the main sources of greenhouse gasses are




    • Transportation (car, rail, ship, aviation)

    • Electricity (power stations)

    • Industry


    So a good "event" to change in the past would be "steam engines" powered by fossil fuels -- 18th century.



    Maybe she could do that in two ways:




    • Tell the truth -- i.e./ warn of what will happen if fossil fuels are adopted world-wide

    • Provide alternatives -- solar panels, better batteries than today's, safe nuclear power -- also medicine and telecommunications, because once you have those do you really need heavy industry and long-range shipping too? -- whatever other technologies she can carry from the future in that shuttle of hers






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Apparently the main sources of greenhouse gasses are




    • Transportation (car, rail, ship, aviation)

    • Electricity (power stations)

    • Industry


    So a good "event" to change in the past would be "steam engines" powered by fossil fuels -- 18th century.



    Maybe she could do that in two ways:




    • Tell the truth -- i.e./ warn of what will happen if fossil fuels are adopted world-wide

    • Provide alternatives -- solar panels, better batteries than today's, safe nuclear power -- also medicine and telecommunications, because once you have those do you really need heavy industry and long-range shipping too? -- whatever other technologies she can carry from the future in that shuttle of hers







    share|improve this answer












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    answered 4 hours ago









    ChrisWChrisW

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    • $begingroup$
      your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
      $endgroup$
      – ChrisW
      4 hours ago


















    • $begingroup$
      your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
      $endgroup$
      – James
      4 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
      $endgroup$
      – ChrisW
      4 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
    $endgroup$
    – James
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    your basic solution was suggested by way of nuclear power being introduced in the 18th century (plan B, no one would believe plan A without proof and an alternative power source). It seems clear reading everyone's responses so far that there would be no single event or small group of events that could be changed to prevent climate change. If fossil fuels are the ultimate bad guy, would there be a way to prevent them from forming in the first place?
    $endgroup$
    – James
    4 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
    $endgroup$
    – ChrisW
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    I can't imagine a man-made (human-scale) intervention that could stop the formation of fossil fuels -- changing geology -- except by preventing biomass somehow (which isn't what you wanted), or inventing a different planet with some other geology. I thought of trying to change human nature, perhaps introduce or promote a religion which doesn't give Man dominion over Nature; but I thought that's hand-wavey, a soft psychology/sociology solution. I've preferred hard science fiction. so I thought maybe use that Shuttle.
    $endgroup$
    – ChrisW
    4 hours ago











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    I once read an article that stated that in the 19th century, the first thermodynamic theories were received with skepticism by the scientific community of the time.

    That article wondered that, had those theories been well received since the beginning, the story of science and technology would have been very different.

    This is because (Warning: very bad and rough explanation ahead), while the then-predominant Newtonian physics used to see every phenomenon as reversible (just invert in the appropriate way the direction of the forces, and a body will follow the same path in reverse), the principles of thermodynamics (particularly the second one) stated that at every action, something is lost and can't be recovered.

    So it was hinted that an early adoption of the thermodynamics (and the concept of irreversibility) in the mainstream scientific and economic culture could have geared the society toward a more conservative and prudent usage of energy sources and natural resources.



    Probably it would be an optimistic approach, but a time traveller could use his knowledge of advanced physics to support Boltzmann's theories, or even discover them some tens years before, so that the industrial revolution would also be driven by the awareness of the risks of limited resources and pollution.






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      That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      3 hours ago
















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    $begingroup$

    I once read an article that stated that in the 19th century, the first thermodynamic theories were received with skepticism by the scientific community of the time.

    That article wondered that, had those theories been well received since the beginning, the story of science and technology would have been very different.

    This is because (Warning: very bad and rough explanation ahead), while the then-predominant Newtonian physics used to see every phenomenon as reversible (just invert in the appropriate way the direction of the forces, and a body will follow the same path in reverse), the principles of thermodynamics (particularly the second one) stated that at every action, something is lost and can't be recovered.

    So it was hinted that an early adoption of the thermodynamics (and the concept of irreversibility) in the mainstream scientific and economic culture could have geared the society toward a more conservative and prudent usage of energy sources and natural resources.



    Probably it would be an optimistic approach, but a time traveller could use his knowledge of advanced physics to support Boltzmann's theories, or even discover them some tens years before, so that the industrial revolution would also be driven by the awareness of the risks of limited resources and pollution.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$













    • $begingroup$
      That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      3 hours ago














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    $begingroup$

    I once read an article that stated that in the 19th century, the first thermodynamic theories were received with skepticism by the scientific community of the time.

    That article wondered that, had those theories been well received since the beginning, the story of science and technology would have been very different.

    This is because (Warning: very bad and rough explanation ahead), while the then-predominant Newtonian physics used to see every phenomenon as reversible (just invert in the appropriate way the direction of the forces, and a body will follow the same path in reverse), the principles of thermodynamics (particularly the second one) stated that at every action, something is lost and can't be recovered.

    So it was hinted that an early adoption of the thermodynamics (and the concept of irreversibility) in the mainstream scientific and economic culture could have geared the society toward a more conservative and prudent usage of energy sources and natural resources.



    Probably it would be an optimistic approach, but a time traveller could use his knowledge of advanced physics to support Boltzmann's theories, or even discover them some tens years before, so that the industrial revolution would also be driven by the awareness of the risks of limited resources and pollution.






    share|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    I once read an article that stated that in the 19th century, the first thermodynamic theories were received with skepticism by the scientific community of the time.

    That article wondered that, had those theories been well received since the beginning, the story of science and technology would have been very different.

    This is because (Warning: very bad and rough explanation ahead), while the then-predominant Newtonian physics used to see every phenomenon as reversible (just invert in the appropriate way the direction of the forces, and a body will follow the same path in reverse), the principles of thermodynamics (particularly the second one) stated that at every action, something is lost and can't be recovered.

    So it was hinted that an early adoption of the thermodynamics (and the concept of irreversibility) in the mainstream scientific and economic culture could have geared the society toward a more conservative and prudent usage of energy sources and natural resources.



    Probably it would be an optimistic approach, but a time traveller could use his knowledge of advanced physics to support Boltzmann's theories, or even discover them some tens years before, so that the industrial revolution would also be driven by the awareness of the risks of limited resources and pollution.







    share|improve this answer












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    answered 3 hours ago









    McTroopersMcTroopers

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    • $begingroup$
      That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      3 hours ago


















    • $begingroup$
      That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
      $endgroup$
      – James
      3 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    3 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    That presupposes that everyone would accept those theories and be driven by motives that would be best for the environment as opposed to their profits.
    $endgroup$
    – James
    3 hours ago











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    Problems With Time And Incentives



    One of the problems with changing the past is, that you don't know where you will end. Killing all people might stop the warming, but not solve your problem. The alteration of the earth climate might be going on now for 10.000 years with the first rice fields and cow breeders. You don't want to change that or any other thing which might hinder humans to go to the moon forever. And I don't see, how nuclear bombs could help humanity survive longer on earth if they were introduced earlier, like let's say as a westener 1618, 1775, 1803 or 1914. And all these people will not believe your time traveler, he might be burned on a stake or end up in a sanatorium.



    Solution: Create Incentives And Time



    Travel back to a time where everyone can see what global warming does and that it is a good thing to do something against it, but a lot of plants and animals are still there and the people have still the money to invest in their future, some years from our point of view. Introduce all the technology you like, e.g. instant-solar-panel-nanobot-factories or clean and safe nuclear fission plant technology.



    If the time runs out too fast, do something to slow down global warming until the other plan works. You don't have to ignite all the forests, tickle yellowstone or start a nuclear war. Just drop a rock on earth, somewhere in the desert, big enough to put up a decent amount of dust in the sky, and you have your cooling. Without (m)any deaths. With your future knowledge you will know exactly how much rock you need, or you just try it out.



    Our problem is (or might be) not, that global warming is already irreversible. At least if your main concern is to save most of the humans, but not the dodos, or the mammoths, or some other species which will die out in the next couple of decades or is already dead. The problem might be, that no one wants to pay for the solution until no one has any resources left to do anything, because of all the economic crises, riots, epidemics, floodings etc.






    share|improve this answer









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      0












      $begingroup$

      Problems With Time And Incentives



      One of the problems with changing the past is, that you don't know where you will end. Killing all people might stop the warming, but not solve your problem. The alteration of the earth climate might be going on now for 10.000 years with the first rice fields and cow breeders. You don't want to change that or any other thing which might hinder humans to go to the moon forever. And I don't see, how nuclear bombs could help humanity survive longer on earth if they were introduced earlier, like let's say as a westener 1618, 1775, 1803 or 1914. And all these people will not believe your time traveler, he might be burned on a stake or end up in a sanatorium.



      Solution: Create Incentives And Time



      Travel back to a time where everyone can see what global warming does and that it is a good thing to do something against it, but a lot of plants and animals are still there and the people have still the money to invest in their future, some years from our point of view. Introduce all the technology you like, e.g. instant-solar-panel-nanobot-factories or clean and safe nuclear fission plant technology.



      If the time runs out too fast, do something to slow down global warming until the other plan works. You don't have to ignite all the forests, tickle yellowstone or start a nuclear war. Just drop a rock on earth, somewhere in the desert, big enough to put up a decent amount of dust in the sky, and you have your cooling. Without (m)any deaths. With your future knowledge you will know exactly how much rock you need, or you just try it out.



      Our problem is (or might be) not, that global warming is already irreversible. At least if your main concern is to save most of the humans, but not the dodos, or the mammoths, or some other species which will die out in the next couple of decades or is already dead. The problem might be, that no one wants to pay for the solution until no one has any resources left to do anything, because of all the economic crises, riots, epidemics, floodings etc.






      share|improve this answer









      $endgroup$
















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        0





        $begingroup$

        Problems With Time And Incentives



        One of the problems with changing the past is, that you don't know where you will end. Killing all people might stop the warming, but not solve your problem. The alteration of the earth climate might be going on now for 10.000 years with the first rice fields and cow breeders. You don't want to change that or any other thing which might hinder humans to go to the moon forever. And I don't see, how nuclear bombs could help humanity survive longer on earth if they were introduced earlier, like let's say as a westener 1618, 1775, 1803 or 1914. And all these people will not believe your time traveler, he might be burned on a stake or end up in a sanatorium.



        Solution: Create Incentives And Time



        Travel back to a time where everyone can see what global warming does and that it is a good thing to do something against it, but a lot of plants and animals are still there and the people have still the money to invest in their future, some years from our point of view. Introduce all the technology you like, e.g. instant-solar-panel-nanobot-factories or clean and safe nuclear fission plant technology.



        If the time runs out too fast, do something to slow down global warming until the other plan works. You don't have to ignite all the forests, tickle yellowstone or start a nuclear war. Just drop a rock on earth, somewhere in the desert, big enough to put up a decent amount of dust in the sky, and you have your cooling. Without (m)any deaths. With your future knowledge you will know exactly how much rock you need, or you just try it out.



        Our problem is (or might be) not, that global warming is already irreversible. At least if your main concern is to save most of the humans, but not the dodos, or the mammoths, or some other species which will die out in the next couple of decades or is already dead. The problem might be, that no one wants to pay for the solution until no one has any resources left to do anything, because of all the economic crises, riots, epidemics, floodings etc.






        share|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        Problems With Time And Incentives



        One of the problems with changing the past is, that you don't know where you will end. Killing all people might stop the warming, but not solve your problem. The alteration of the earth climate might be going on now for 10.000 years with the first rice fields and cow breeders. You don't want to change that or any other thing which might hinder humans to go to the moon forever. And I don't see, how nuclear bombs could help humanity survive longer on earth if they were introduced earlier, like let's say as a westener 1618, 1775, 1803 or 1914. And all these people will not believe your time traveler, he might be burned on a stake or end up in a sanatorium.



        Solution: Create Incentives And Time



        Travel back to a time where everyone can see what global warming does and that it is a good thing to do something against it, but a lot of plants and animals are still there and the people have still the money to invest in their future, some years from our point of view. Introduce all the technology you like, e.g. instant-solar-panel-nanobot-factories or clean and safe nuclear fission plant technology.



        If the time runs out too fast, do something to slow down global warming until the other plan works. You don't have to ignite all the forests, tickle yellowstone or start a nuclear war. Just drop a rock on earth, somewhere in the desert, big enough to put up a decent amount of dust in the sky, and you have your cooling. Without (m)any deaths. With your future knowledge you will know exactly how much rock you need, or you just try it out.



        Our problem is (or might be) not, that global warming is already irreversible. At least if your main concern is to save most of the humans, but not the dodos, or the mammoths, or some other species which will die out in the next couple of decades or is already dead. The problem might be, that no one wants to pay for the solution until no one has any resources left to do anything, because of all the economic crises, riots, epidemics, floodings etc.







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